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To: GST who wrote (155503)4/7/2003 5:47:24 PM
From: hueyone  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 164684
 
I am not a big fan of unnecessarily killing and wounding people.

As are the people who support the decision to take out Saddam and his genocidal regime.

Regards, Huey



To: GST who wrote (155503)4/7/2003 5:49:31 PM
From: Bill Harmond  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 164684
 
You were using those deaths as "proof" of Rumsfeld's "improper" involvement, not expressing sadness.

"Proper" war is conducted without casualties then?



To: GST who wrote (155503)4/7/2003 9:43:19 PM
From: Victor Lazlo  Respond to of 164684
 
Eyes Over Baghdad
Our secret street-fighting weapon.
By Fred Kaplan
Updated Monday, April 7, 2003, at 3:10 PM PT

Some TV footage shown early this morning suggests that the battle for Baghdad might be easier than expected. The live video stream showed a U.S. drone flying over the Iraqi capital in clear daylight. This picture was significant in two ways.

First, it provides a clue, among many other clues these past few days, that Saddam Hussein's regime exists no longer. The key clue here is the very fact that a drone can fly over Baghdad at all. The drones we're using fly very low and very slowly; they are easy to shoot down. Yet no Iraqi soldier even tried to shoot this one down. We know that Iraqi soldiers have anti-aircraft artillery; they have turned some of them horizontally and used them as ground artillery against U.S. tanks. A fair inference is that no one shot down this drone because no one gave orders to shoot it down—which likely means no command structure existed to give such orders. Organized resistance seems to have crumbled, and, if that's the case, so has the regime, in any meaningful sense of that word.

The second significant thing about this drone (and, presumably, many more drones like it) is that, if American soldiers and Marines must go on battling against scattered resistance door to door and block by block, they will retain a good bit of their technological advantage, which many have assumed would be nullified in the dense chaos of urban warfare.

There are several kinds of drones in the U.S. arsenal—the Hunter, the Predator, the Global Hawk—but, basically, they all work in the same way. They are pilotless aerial vehicles that can loiter in the sky for several hours and digitally transmit high-resolution, real-time images of the area below. U.S. commanders can view these images, back at headquarters in Saudi Arabia or Qatar (or Washington, D.C., for that matter). During last year's war in Afghanistan, the commanders viewing the drones' images would tell U.S. pilots the precise location of a target; the pilots would program the coordinates into their smart bombs, fly to the area, and drop the bombs. The average time between spotting the target and dropping the bomb: about 20 minutes.

In urban warfare, commanders could tell their officers on the street where Iraqi soldiers and Fedayeen guerrillas are hiding—which rooftops they're crouched on, which windows they've been firing from, which alleyways are clear and which are death traps. Without the drones, the Iraqis would enjoy a geographic advantage; with the drones, this advantage is, while not entirely overwhelmed, considerably stripped away. The drones also allow the U.S. forces to maneuver in coordination, to retain the initiative, and to achieve tactical surprise—none of which are Iraqi forces able to do any longer.

Where U.S. ground troops can't maneuver to exploit this intelligence, air forces can come into play and, so it seems, in a way that might cause less "collateral damage" than many had feared. Planes are reportedly being loaded with laser-guided bombs instead of GPS satellite-guided bombs. There are two reasons these older-style laser bombs are the weapons of choice in a city crowded with civilians. First, their explosive power is lighter—500 pounds, as opposed to the GPS bombs' 1,000 to 2,000 pounds—meaning the radius of the blast will be much shorter. Second, when conditions are just right, laser-guided bombs are more accurate—they land on average within 10 feet of their target, as opposed to GPS bombs' 30 feet. (More can go wrong with laser-guided bombs: The laser beam can be deflected by smoke, fire, dust, rain. Then again, a human being is monitoring the laser and can tell whether the beam is hitting the target properly before releasing the bomb to follow the beam's path. Things can go wrong with a GPS bomb, as well: For example, the pilot can punch in the wrong coordinates, which happened a few times in Afghanistan.)

Some planes will also carry smart bombs filled with concrete. If a building is filled with Fedayeen, a concrete-bomb could flatten the building without damaging the surrounding buildings: no blast, no shrapnel, nothing more than maybe a few shards of concrete. (These bombs were developed with little fanfare in the late 1990s, after the Iraqis started parking their air-defense batteries in residential neighborhoods to keep U.S. bombers from attacking them while enforcing the no-fly-zone rules. The idea worked: The concrete bombs smashed the batteries while leaving nearby houses intact.)

None of these developments mean that the battle of Baghdad will be as short or easy as, say, the battle for the Baghdad Airport. But they do mean that it will almost certainly not be a replay of the battles of Berlin, Stalingrad, Grozny—or possibly even Basra.

Article URL: slate.msn.com



To: GST who wrote (155503)4/7/2003 9:51:52 PM
From: Victor Lazlo  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 164684
 
The french oil co's own chirac. This is the kind of corruption that propels him and schroder.

AP Finance News
Ex-Exec at French Oil Giant Testifies

By VERENA VON DERSCHAU 04/07/2003 19:52:00 EST
The former No. 2 man of Elf Aquitaine testified Monday that a large part of some $50 million withdrawn from the French oil giant's accounts went toward financing French political parties.

The amount cited by Alfred Sirven was far more than the $5 million that former president Loik Le Floch-Prigent had said went to political parties during his years at the helm, from 1989 to 1993.

Monday's testimony was the latest in a corruption trial that has rattled France's elite and drawn in President Jacques Chirac's former party and even African leaders. Chirac's office has not had an immediate comment on the case.

The trial, which started in mid-March, focuses on allegations the oil giant, the forerunner of today's TotalFinaElf, paid and received enormous commissions. Sirven is one of 37 people on trial in the case. A previous corruption case centered on Elf - one of the world's largest oil companies - ended in January.

Sirven, 76, did not provide details, or explain what happened to the rest of the more than $150 million that allegedly went missing from the coffers of Elf Aquitaine in the early 1990s.

"I was alone. I had no financial director," Sirven testified. "So there was some disorder in these accounts."

Sirven conceded that some money went into his own pockets while a large part of the $50 million went to French political parties.

Le Floch-Prigent, 59, had told the court on March 31 that nearly all of the $5 million he claimed to be aware of went to Chirac's former party, until then-President Francois Mitterrand, a Socialist, demanded the cash be spread to both sides of the political spectrum. Chirac, a conservative, succeeded Mitterrand as president in 1995.

The man once known within Elf as "Mr. Africa," Andre Tarallo, took care of parties on the right, Le Floch-Prigent claimed, while Sirven handled leftist parties.

Le Floch-Prigent had testified March 19 that African leaders with whom Elf did business were among the beneficiaries of lucrative commissions.

Sirven, referring to the messy state of his accounts, said he destroyed accounting records before fleeing Europe in 1996, going first to the Caribbean then to the Philippines to escape French justice. He was arrested in the Philippines in 2001.

Sirven received a three-year sentence in the earlier Elf-related trial and risks 10 years if found guilty again for his alleged role in the embezzling.

Floch-Prigent faces a myriad of charges, including abuse of company funds, publication of false information and presentation of inaccurate accounts. He risks a five-year sentence if found guilty.

He is already serving a 30-month term from the earlier Elf-related case whose star defendant was former Foreign Minister Roland Dumas, who won an appeal on his conviction for accepting expensive gifts from a former mistress working for Elf.