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To: Victor Lazlo who wrote (16685)	4/8/2003 7:22:56 PM
From: NOW	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

"Misgivings that won’t go away despite the dismissals and distortions of those who consider it unpatriotic to have misgivings. Let’s look at ten: 1) The U.S. is now in the business of attacking countries that have not attacked the U.S. Where does it end? 2) Liberation and invasion are not the same things. Which is it? If it sounds, looks, and smells like invasion to 85% of the world, why can’t we bring ourselves to call it that? 3) We are winning precious few hearts and minds, and appear content to have bought most of the handful we’ve got. 4) It grows increasingly hard to see what is harming American freedom more. Is it Osama, is it Saddam, or is it the myopia of our own leaders? 5) As we persist in protecting one set of American interests with bombs, we persist in throwing respect, admiration, and trust out the door. But then I guess it’s hopelessly “old America” to include respect, admiration, or trust on the list of American interests. 6) American “pre-eminence” increasingly has to be bought, bombed, or twisted into shape – old Americans fancied they had to earn it. 7) The kind of thinking that bears at least some, and possibly much, responsibility for September 11 is the kind of thinking favored by those currently protecting us from further terrorist attacks. 8) Though God and Micronesia are both listed among the coalition of the willing, not everyone feels certain of either’s convictions. 9) The American people have been handed an era of war, debt, fear, and international disrepute. In return, we’re invited to hand the architects of that era their first election in 2004. 10) We may not be the lamp of civilization we seem to think we are. “Kill ‘Em All” reads the logo on the helmet of a front-page marine. While this may be marine-speak for “Have a Nice Day” or “I’m Tough”, the phrase is disturbingly reminiscent of the “Exterminate All the Brutes” found in Kurtz’s papers at the heart of darkness, and is a far cry from the “Liberate the Iraqi People” we’ve been hearing of late from the war promoters. One wonders which logo more candidly expresses underlying sentiments in an administration so often distinguished by a style of conspicuous contempt. " commondreams.org

To: Victor Lazlo who wrote (16685)	4/8/2003 7:27:59 PM
From: Proud Deplorable	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 89467

Victor YES I do. "What should we do about all the money that saddam paid jacques chirac to defend him at the UN?" If this is true, then Jacques won't worry about keeping up his end of the baragin when Saddam is dead. It will be interesting to see what his position will be afterwards. Personally I haven't heard your claim before. It is more likely that France, Germany, Belgium, Holland and the Scandinavian countries don't want the USA meddling in their oil patch. Saddams dead ? GREAT ! Now the USA can start another aggression somewhere else on any flimsy excuse.