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To: Sarmad Y. Hermiz who wrote (91332)	4/8/2003 10:11:17 PM
From: aladin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Sarmad, Who represents the Kurds? The Shiites? You can see some of their dead here: dhushara.com Or are you just saying Sunni Arab deaths are important, but Kurdish and Shiite deaths are not? Morality involves all life or it isn't moral. Its not just a Western vs Sunni Arab argument. The Baathist killing must stop and neither the Arab street nor their governments will do anything. Yes - lots of Sunni's die, and some Shiites. After all the Baathists hide behind or mascarade as civilians. Given the carnage caused internally by the Baath party and Saddam - what would you do? a) intervene (but your against that) b) use sanctions (but they kill as well) c) drop sanctions (and support a dictator?) Level set - As some one who has argued the moral case for intervention - I deplored our non-intervention in Rhwanda and supported the Clinton administrations actions in the Balkans. If I were President - the UN would be discussing the Congo and if the French balked again - I would put some feet on the ground. Call me a neoliberal :-) John

To: Sarmad Y. Hermiz who wrote (91332)	4/8/2003 11:26:56 PM
From: Sig	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

For the picture you showed there are between 450000 and 1.5 mm others that are not shown, the extra deaths in the under 5 year olds estimated to be caused by Saddams regime in the last 7 years This death rate has increased each year since 1978 under his rule While in the North , under Kurdish rule the death rates have been reduced This discusses how the sanctions were not working and how Saddam turned them to his advantage and the effect on the citizens. worldmag.com When one goes beyond the emotion of dead baby pictures, one gets into dry statistics. When the action is over we can compare the losses resulting from our destruction of Mr Saddams war equipment, with the losses that would have occurred if he had been left in power. Sig