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To: dave rose who wrote (17920)	4/9/2003 12:17:53 PM
From: loantech	Respond to of 81220

Dave I whole heartedly agree. I am starting to tire of the USA bashing. Sure we have lot's of faults and have made many mistakes, but on the other hand our nation has done many great things also. I am sure many Iraqi's are happy today. There may have been a little too much of the US flew our own planes into the towers and a plane never hit the Pentagon and the US is going to steal all the Iraqi oil etc. tom

To: dave rose who wrote (17920)	4/9/2003 12:56:58 PM
From: philv	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 81220

This is indeed a time of victory and celebration, for the US and coalition forces, as well as for those Iraqis who hope for a better life, free from dictatorship. The hope is for a true democratic Iraq, eventually, but many problems will have to be overcome first. That said, the stated reason for the war was never to free the Iraqis, but supposedly had to do with WMDs, Al Qaeda, terrorism, and a great threat to the US and the world. None of these were ever proven. That is the part that irked me the most. Bush/Blair never told us the "real" reason for war, and their explanations were insulting for even my limited intelligence. The big winners are the "coalition", US & Brit. forces and Israel. If I were living in Israel, I would let out a great sigh of relief, as the US is now in position to guarantee Israel's security. The lofty ideal of a democratic Iraq and democratic surrounding countries ensures a long term peace, as democracies seldom, if ever, go to war with each other. Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia etc. will be watching this with much fear, and will no doubt do what they can to undermine this effort. Unfortunately the cost of war and freedom will be shouldered by firstly the Iraqis themselves through their expanded oil revenues and most likely to a degree, all of us in various ways. But now is the time for retribution and leveling of old scores, and it will be ugly, no doubt. Phil

To: dave rose who wrote (17920)	4/9/2003 5:34:42 PM
From: sea_urchin	Respond to of 81220

Dave >I think the world will see that the actions to eliminate this poison was a good use of force and applaud America’s involvement. As I said to Tom, from a moral standpoint, it's hard for me to agree with that because death and injury has already occurred in pursuit of those objectives. In the circumstances, I disagree that the end justifies the means. Frankly, it's clear that there's a watershed between the US opinion, which includes those who support the war, and those who don't, which includes me. Fundamentally, I don't know where one's opinion comes from in one's mind and why some people think and feel completely differently from others. In the present situation, I know the pro-US opinion feels morally justified in the actions that were taken yet those who oppose the war feel completely the opposite way --- that the actions of the US were unjustified. In fact, I don't know how the impasse will be resolved. I guess it's just a matter of different values which we will have to live with. >I am afraid that all major countries are in serious trouble except China. Can you name a major country that is in better shape than US? No, I cannot. Nevertheless, the circumstances of the "better shape" of the US leave a great deal to be desired and many serious observers feel that the economic outlook for the US is anything but rosy (no pun intended). >I would like you to make that statement “rapacious tiger". to the people who are dancing in the streets of Bagdad, or is that an illusion that I see on TB? Maybe they are happy and will thank the US. I certainly can't say but time will tell if it is an illusion or not. Clearly, the more Iraqis who are happy, to a certain extent, that does justify the action which the US has taken --- although it cannot bring back the dead. But, who will really know the truth in the end. We will only know what we are told. However, as so often happens, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.