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To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (44014)4/9/2003 8:34:40 PM
From: JEB  Respond to of 50167
 
Arabs Shocked, Relieved at Baghdad's Fall
Wed Apr 9, 3:54 PM ET

By DONNA ABU-NASR, Associated Press Writer

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - The fall of Baghdad provoked shock and disbelief Wednesday among Arabs, who expressed hope that other oppressive regimes would crumble but also disappointment that Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) did not put up a better fight against America.

"Why did he fall that way? Why so fast?" said Yemeni homemaker Umm Ahmed, tears streaming down her face. "He's a coward. Now I feel sorry for his people."

Arabs clustered at TV sets in shop windows, coffee shops, kitchens and offices to watch the astounding pictures of U.S. troops overwhelming an Arab capital for the first time ever.

Feeling betrayed and misled, some turned off their sets in disgust when jubilant crowds in Baghdad celebrated the arrival of U.S. troops.

"We discovered that all what the (Iraqi) information minister was saying was all lies," said Ali Hassan, a government employee in Cairo, Egypt. "Now no one believes Al-Jazeera anymore."

In a live report from Baghdad, correspondent Shaker Hamed of Abu Dhabi Television said:"We are all in shock. How did things come to such an end? How did U.S. tanks enter the center of the city? Where is the resistance? This collapse is puzzling. Was it the result of the collapse of communications between the commanders? Between the political leadership? How come Baghdad falls so easily."

Mohammed al-Shahhal, a 49-year-old teacher in Tripoli, Lebanon, said the scenes reminded him of the collapse of the Soviet Union.

"Those who applauded the collapse of Lenin's statue for some Pepsi and hamburgers felt the hunger later on and regretted what they did," al-Shahhal said.

However, Tannous Basil, a 47-year-old cardiologist in Sidon, Lebanon, said Saddam's regime was a "dictatorship and had to go."

"I don't like the idea of having the Americans here, but we asked for it," he said. "Why don't we see the Americans going to Finland, for example? They come here because our area is filled with dictatorships like Saddam's."

Tarek al-Absi, a Yemeni university professor, was hopeful Saddam's end presaged more democracy in the region.

"This is a message for the Arab regimes, and could be the beginning of transformation in the Arab region," al-Absi said. "Without the honest help of the Western nations, the reforms will not take place in these countries."

The overwhelming emotions for many Arabs were disbelief or disillusionment after weeks of hearing Saddam's government pledge a "great victory" or fight to the death against "infidel invaders."

"We Arabs are clever only at talking," Haitham Baghdadi, 45, said bitterly in Damascus, Syria. "Where are the Iraqi weapons? Where are the Iraqi soldiers?"

Many resorted to conspiracy theories to explain the rapid collapse.

"There must have been treason," said Ahmed Salem Batmira, an Omani political analyst.

"It seems there was some deal. Saddam has put himself ahead of his people," said Yemeni government employee Saad Salem el-Faqih, 50.

Three men having tea and smoking in a coffee shop in Riyadh were unsettled as they watched the TV — even though they said they were against Saddam and felt sorry for the long-suffering Iraqis.

"I can't say that I'm happy about what's going on because these are non-Muslim forces that have gone in and I hope they will not stay," said Mohammed al-Sakkaf, a 58-year-old businessman.

Many said they were disturbed by images of U.S. troops lounging in Saddam's palaces or draping the U.S. flag around the head of a Saddam statue.

"Liberation is nobler than that," said Walid Abdul-Rahman, one of the three Saudis. "They should not be so provocative."

In Jordan, hotel receptionist Wissam Fakhoury, 28, said he was disappointed in the Baghdad crowds.

"I spit on them," he said. "Do those crowds who are saluting the Americans believe that the United States will let them live better?" Fakhoury said. Americans "will loot their oil and control their resources, leaving them nothing."

Bahraini physician Hassan Fakhro, 62, said he was saddened.

"Whatever I'm seeing is very painful because although Saddam Hussein was a dictator, he represented some kind of Arab national resistance to the foreign invaders — the Americans and the British," Fakhro said.

After an anti-war march in Khartoum, Sudan, lawyer Ali Al-Sayed said U.S. troops should not misinterpret the relief as an invitation to stay.

"Those people under oppression will not have any national feeling, so they will be happy to see someone removing a dictator and liberating them," al-Sayed said. "But the moment they feel free and liberated, they will not tolerate a foreign presence."

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak (news - web sites), an uncomfortable U.S. ally in the war, said the quickest way to achieve stability now would be for U.S. troops to withdraw. "Iraqis must take control over of their country as fast as possible," Mubarak told Egypt's official news agency, MENA.

Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud, looking upset at a news conference, called for a quick end to Iraq (news - web sites)'s "occupation." In a rare departure from diplomacy, Saud responded to a question about Arab anger toward the United States with: "I don't want to talk about anger if you don't mind today."

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To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (44014)4/11/2003 12:14:19 AM
From: 2MAR$  Respond to of 50167
 
Senior Iraqi Shiite leader killed in Najaf
story.news.yahoo.com


Details were sketchy, but it appeared that al-Khoei was stabbed to death by a large number of attackers in a mosque in Najaf, and that at least two other people were injured.

"I knew Sheikh al-Khoei. He was resident in this country. He had huge expectations about the future of the Shiia people post-Saddam," Foreign Secretary Jack Straw told reporters in London.



To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (44014)4/11/2003 12:14:19 AM
From: 2MAR$  Respond to of 50167
 
Senior Iraqi Shiite leader killed in Najaf
story.news.yahoo.com


Details were sketchy, but it appeared that al-Khoei was stabbed to death by a large number of attackers in a mosque in Najaf, and that at least two other people were injured.

"I knew Sheikh al-Khoei. He was resident in this country. He had huge expectations about the future of the Shiia people post-Saddam," Foreign Secretary Jack Straw told reporters in London.



To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (44014)4/11/2003 12:14:19 AM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50167
 
Senior Iraqi Shiite leader killed in Najaf
story.news.yahoo.com


Details were sketchy, but it appeared that al-Khoei was stabbed to death by a large number of attackers in a mosque in Najaf, and that at least two other people were injured.

"I knew Sheikh al-Khoei. He was resident in this country. He had huge expectations about the future of the Shiia people post-Saddam," Foreign Secretary Jack Straw told reporters in London.



To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (44014)4/11/2003 1:00:02 AM
From: Sajjad  Respond to of 50167
 
As I wrote before, now comes the tricky part. Trying to find/install leadership for a country that never saw anything other then Saddam for about 4 decades will be very tough. Plus the diversified political entities within Iraq do not have a common string of die hard nationlism embedded that can overcome their differences, shias, Baathist, Sunnis, Kurds.

Uptil now it was being done through brute dictatorial force.

Todays news have been very disappointing for the Allied command.

Both Ahmed Chalabi and Majeed Al-Khoei were brought back under US-British sponsorship.

Today only a few minutes into his speech during the big show created for his "official" introduction" in Nassiryah a huge procession came marching in with great deal of anger shouting slogans, and Chalabi was immediately surrounded by marines and taken off the stage in encircled security.

Secondly, Al-Khoei was among the prominent US-backed exiles who just had returned to Iraq on April 3. He was a very prominent Shia leader(huge center in London), and had been in UK for ten years in exile. Was planning to play a role in the reconciliation efforts of the war torn country. Unfortunately never had the chance.
There are many conflicting reports, but two key and different versions. One from the side of Mr. Khoei, states that these were pro saddam fedayeens. The other version blames the SCIRI leadership I had mentioned before in my email.

I dont think the first version makes sense, since the murder took place in ALNAjaf mosque. Given the condition that exists now, and the number of people present around him, its hard to see how fedayeens could have gotten close to him.

Arab sources are reporting that SCIRI leadership had snubbed him by Sistani refusing to meet him when he arrived on April 3. This alone would have been a strong message of opposition to his presence there by the mainstream Shia leadership.

Iraq has a very bloody history. I just hope it does'nt repeat itself.

Sajjad