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To: hdl who wrote (234790)	4/10/2003 8:22:45 AM
From: zonder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

If you think those are "insults", SI must be a House of Pain for you :-) Especially amusing in your little list were the likes of "You are wrong, with proof to boot" and "Errors in your posts". Pray tell since when it is an insult to tell someone they are wrong and that there are errors in their posts? So I have said (and shown) that our friend Haim does not have a good grip on facts, those little bits that constitute reality. If he's not happy with that, he should read and learn before he forms an opinion and posting it here. And if you are so eager to protect Haim, then you should try to find errors in my replies to him. Good luck :-) For your information, an "insult" is a personal attack oh so commonly seen on SI, in the line of "idiot", "moron", "pinhead", "traitor", or as Haim called the French, "scambags" (probably meant "scumbag"), and "m&^&%ther f&*&kers". Message 234652 Message 18820376 So, in short, if you wish to do good to Haim, tell him about the more effective ways of rhetoric, including (but not restricted to) basing your opinion on facts, using facts to support your point and of course with special emphasis on not fabricating stories that are so easily taken down by someone who has a familiarity to the facts on the subject. And don't forget to say it is not good form, nor adult behaviour, for that matter, to sulk when presented facts that challenge his opinion.

To: hdl who wrote (234790)	4/10/2003 11:48:22 AM
From: Haim R. Branisteanu	Respond to of 436258

Apr. 10, 2003 - Iraqi opposition: ties with Israel; but no place for Palestinians in new Iraq By DOUGLAS DAVIS There will be strong ties with Israel but no place for Palestinians in the new Iraq, a leading member of the Iraqi National Congress (INC) told me late Wednesday night. The Washington-backed organization, a secular, democratic umbrella for Iraq's Shi'ite, Sunni and Kurdish communities, is committed to a unitary state, with a large measure of autonomy for what they envisage will be three federal components. Until recently, the vigorously pro-Western movement was based in London. Today, most of its leaders have relocated to various parts of Iraq, planning to converge on Baghdad within the coming days and preparing, with American support, to announce the formation of a provisional government. One of the most elegant and eloquent princes of the INC is Nabeel Musawi, right hand of INC leader Ahmad Chalabi and scion of a prominent Shi'ite family in Baghdad. .............. Musawi reminds me that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were expelled from the Gulf states after the 1991 war in retribution for their complicity with Saddam, particularly in Kuwait, where they collaborated with his enforcers in identifying key personnel after the Iraqi invasion. All were arrested, Many were never seen again. Today, the large Palestinian community is regarded by INC leaders as a loathsome fifth column, among the most faithful and loyal followers of Saddam Hussein. Will the Palestinians be welcome to remain in a new, post-Saddam Iraq? "Absolutely not," Musawi snaps. Nor, for that matter, will Arabs who had opposed the US-led war to deliver freedom to the Iraqi people. And the UN? "They did not play a very honorable role when it came to dealing with Saddam," he says. "We believe the UN needs to put its own house in order before it can play a credible role here." Musawi is equally unequivocal when talking enthusiastically of his hopes for the closest possible ties with Israel. We had spoken before of the INC vision of an "arc of peace" that would run from Turkey, through Iraq and Jordan to Israel, creating a new fulcrum in the Middle East. Does that concept still stand? "You know we have always wanted that," he says.