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To: tejek who wrote (167213)	4/10/2003 10:56:23 AM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1583303

Oh, stop with this liberation bs. The world isn't buying it and neither am I. The only part of the world I know of that "isn't buying it" is some portion of the Arab world, where the media is either controlled by the state or heavily influenced by the pressures of the Arab street. Reality is that even Al Jazeera has suddenly begun reporting more truthfully. The people many Arab nations are shocked that the Iraqi people actually didn't LIKE Saddam!!! Why? Because the facts have been hidden from them. Even that sorry creep Chirac is lauding the freeing of Iraqis. As a liberal from a time when liberalism could be sensible, I am highly offended at the silence of the Left on the liberation of 25 million Iraqis. As usual, the liberals are more concerned about their political aspirations than they are the fundamentals of liberalism.

To: tejek who wrote (167213)	4/10/2003 11:34:15 AM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1583303

Ted, Oh, stop with this liberation bs. The world isn't buying it and neither am I. I am sorry you feel this way. Joe

To: tejek who wrote (167213)	4/10/2003 2:31:20 PM
From: hmaly	Respond to of 1583303

Ted Re...The right needs to keep its stories straight. Big bad Russia is why we a defense budget up the whazzoo! Now they're incompetent? Spin, spin, spin......... We didn't know how incompetent they were until after the Reagon buildup. Before then, we also after 40 yrs of mainly dem. rule, were incompetent. Then what is the truth, O Wise One? Apparently, you understand Bush's doublespeak better than I do. The truth is what is. All of your doubletalk won't change it. Oh, stop with this liberation bs. The world isn't buying it and neither am I Maybe you should tell the Iraqis that. Did you see all of them liberated folks on TV yesterday.

To: tejek who wrote (167213)	4/10/2003 5:35:29 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 1583303

Why? The Russians are about as competent in Grozny as the French are in Rawanda. The right needs to keep its stories straight. Big bad Russia is why we a defense budget up the whazzoo! Now they're incompetent? Spin, spin, spin......... They where overestimated while there was still a USSR, but they had enough tanks in Europe to cause a lot of problems for NATO forces not to mention that they had (and to a lesser extent the Russians still have) a large long range nuclear force. But while they had (and to a lesser extent still have) a large amount of men under arms, tanks, artillery pieces, armored personnel carriers, aircraft ect., they aren't up to our standard in terms of training, logistic, precision, flexibility and unit leadership. They never where up to that standard (they hoped to make up for it with numbers, particularly numbers of tanks since they had about 50,000 of them at one point, if they ever had to fight us), but we have gotten better since the early 80s and they have in many ways declined (some new technology is offset but lower numbers and lower readiness, and lower morale. If the Russian ever really got behind a military effort they would still be dangerous (even without their nukes) but more and more of their soldiers are reluctant warriors. Neither the Russian people, nor the Russian army are exited about (or even grimly but firmly committed to the war in Grozny, so you get poorly trained and motivated conscripts destroying a lot of Grozny without ever eliminating all resistance. You could say they have been incompetent but sometimes even the incompetent can be dangerous, and when we feared a Soviet thrust through the Fulda gap they where more competent then they are now, and we though they where even better then they where. (Also for most of that time we had less of a technology advantage then we do now). Oh, stop with this liberation bs. So we didn't liberate Iraq? Do you think that we have now made Iraq part of an American empire, or do you claim, like the Iraqi information minister did that all of the scenes of our tanks moving around Baghdad were Hollywood special effects? Tim