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To: michael97123 who wrote (91813)	4/10/2003 2:43:00 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"what they don't want is democracy, meaning voting islamist governments into power in the ME. " Democracy as we define it involves the protection of individual rights which islamic states would also have to protect. Turkey would be a current example of that. Re: iraq the last thing i would expect is an islamic cleric as the new PM. One needs to be reasonably careful calling Turkey a democracy. It is but it's a certain kind, one which has a history of military intervention to overturn elections they don't like. Now what label would that be? I don't know. neocons "tend to read it through the eyes of the present Israeli government." There you go again. Neocons are motivated by american interests in the region and when it cooincides with how israelis see it, fine. Or are you saying israelis control US foreign policy in some illicit sort of way? No. It's sometimes hard for folk who don't think of themselves as on the right to be read clearly on this thread. I'm only saying what I'm saying. US interests in the ME are not identical with Israel interests (general point) and, more specifically, not identical with the Sharon governments views of their interest. Yet, some in the Bush government, particularly the folk we often identify as neocons, tend to think so. If you want to talk about "illicit control" go ahead. I don't believe that and am not going there with you.