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To: JohnM who wrote (91926)	4/10/2003 3:56:01 PM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 281500

give me a break, Tom De Lay to liberate the women of Iraq Just can't get off those Evangelicals, can you? Tom De Lay at his worst, on women, is better that any Afghan at his best.

To: JohnM who wrote (91926)	4/10/2003 4:15:58 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<In Afghan we never made a big point of going in to install democracy.> But, it was the same people, with the same ideology, who overthrew the Afghan and Iraqi government. Why shouldn't we hold them accountable for their total failure to implement the NeoCon Nirvana of American-style democracy and prosperity? They used Force, and then didn't achieve any of the NeoCon goals that their use of Force was supposed to justify. Why should they expect anyone to believe them re Iraq, after seeing the aftermath in Afghanistan? Our attention spans aren't that short.

To: JohnM who wrote (91926)	4/10/2003 4:55:48 PM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Another problem with that point of view is it's simply not true. The people of Aghanistan chose their leader. It was a difficult process which took a lot of diplomacy to achieve. The same model seems a reasonable course of action in regard to Iraq. Here's a little snipet from history to remember...Amazing how quickly we forget. ________________________________________________________ Delegates from four Afghan factions have signed an agreement on a transitional government to run the country after 20 years of war. The signing came at a ceremony in Bonn on Wednesday morning attended by German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, after the factions had agreed on names of the new administration's members. The power-sharing council is to be headed by Pashtun tribal commander Hamid Karzai and will take office on 22 December. United Nations special envoy Lakhdar Brahimi welcomed the agreement, and said the international community would stand by Afghanistan. "The UN and the entire international community feel a tremendous sense of hope in the knowledge that agreement has been signed here in Bonn," he said. But he warned that the new government carried a "huge responsibility" and the eyes of the world would be upon it. The UN-brokered deal came on the ninth day of gruelling talks, the final session of which went on all night, in a luxury hotel in the former West German capital. BBC correspondents in Kabul say initial reaction amongst people there is one of real delight and relief that the talks appear to have reached a successful conclusion. Contacted by the BBC, Mr Karzai said he had not been officially told he is to be his country's new leader, but was glad to be entrusted with the task. Mr Karzai was talking by satellite phone from north of the southern Afghan city of Kandahar, where his forces are battling the Taleban for control. He said his main priority was to restore absolute peace and security, and to bring unity to Afghanistan. Earlier, UN spokesman Ahmad Fawzi said the delegates had all accepted the names of 30 people put forward, but 11 of those named still needed to be contacted to confirm they would take up their appointments. The Northern Alliance, which has controlled Kabul since the Taleban fled last month, will hold the three most powerful ministries. Delegation head Yunus Qanooni will be interior minister, alliance commander-in-chief General Mohammad Fahim will be in charge of the Defence Ministry and Dr Abdullah Abdullah will retain the foreign affairs portfolio. The BBC's Peter Biles says the alliance is expected to pick up as many as 17 of the 30 posts. The alliance, chiefly made up of minority Uzbeks and Tajiks, had been expected to be pressed into surrendering at least one to the majority Pashtun tribes. Two women are amongst those named. One of them, Sima Samar, will be one of the five deputies to Mr Karzai. The UN has said the new authority must guarantee freedom of expression and women's rights. Continued on the link... afghan-info.com