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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (92579)	4/12/2003 12:14:22 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

This is going to end badly. Everything seems wonderful now, just like everything looked great for the French around 1809. Ouch. I have the same fears without the same prediction. Let's hope you're wrong. As I recall that history, in 1809 Napoleon thought he was at the top of his game; in two or three years, 1811 or 1812, Russia happened. Sound right?

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (92579)	4/12/2003 12:22:01 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

>>This is going to end badly.<< Oh, gawd, is there no end to the yawping? I went to bed at 4:00 a.m., turned the computer back on about noon, 155 posts on FADG on a Saturday morning for Chrissakes and it is all liberals weeping and moaning about how awful everything will be, just you wait. You're wrong. You were wrong before, you'll be wrong again, and you're not Cassandra, I am. I am the one who sees the future and I see that it works. I am the one who isn't believed, and as proof, I offer you, who will never believe me. Now, I am going to shut down the computer and go to a pro-war rally with my husband. I'll wave the big red white and blue American flag and he'll wave the yellow Gadsden Don't Tread On Me flag and we'll have some feel good moments with the crowd that said Yes In Our Name. Yes, in our name, liberate the Iraqi people. Yes, in our name, depose Saddam. Yes, in our name, get rid of the torture chambers. Yes, democracy, in our name. It's a good moment.

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (92579)	4/14/2003 10:02:46 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

They ignored the voices of caution, they used actions instead of words, they were Unilateral, and it worked. Whether it worked or not depends on your assumed objective. Wars are fought to obtain political objectives; they are not won when the enemy force is destroyed, they are won when the objective is attained. If the objective was simply to remove Saddam, then we won. If the objective was to eliminate terrorism, roll back the influence of Islamic radicalism, and spread democracy in the Middle East, we have quite a bit more to do. Meanwhile, we are entering a period during which we must be very careful indeed on the home front. We’ve all heard about the possibility that Iraqi WMD were moved to Syria. If they could get to Syria, we have to assume that they can and have reached Al Qaeda or other similar groups as well. We will be tempted to let our guard down; that’s only natural after winning a battle. The people in charge of homeland security have to remember that the war is still going on. Our most dangerous enemies have more support than ever in their own world, and its now very likely that they have chemical and/or biological weapons as well. This is going to end badly. Everything seems wonderful now, just like everything looked great for the French around 1809. We all know what pride goeth before. The danger, of course, is that they will want to keep biting off pieces until they reach one they can’t swallow. As always, we’ll see.