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To: Elsewhere who wrote (92685)4/12/2003 7:25:10 AM
From: unclewest  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
JJ,
Beating the bushes about cluster bomb failure rates is just more press noise. All military weapons have a malfunction and failure rate.

We have admitted using a new form of cluster bomb that has anti-tank capabilities. Cluster bombs have not been outlawed.

So far we have found chemical and bio weapon delivery systems. Chemical storage facilities and possible bio storage. We have found an extensive cache of nuclear material. Regime laid anti-personnel minefields are being cleared by US troops. Several fully equipped human torture and execution chambers have been found.

Yet, the most important thing to some reporters is the US may have inadvertently left a piece of ordinance on the ground while they were destroying or capturing these instruments of pain and death. Some of these regime instruments of death had already been used to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. Where were these reporters then?

I believe most readers will see right through these reports. Though some will focus on them because they can find so little to criticize the USA about.

It amazes me how many folks have no fight in them whatsoever. Many others will only fight about not fighting. I just hope they are grateful that better men than them secured their freedom and the liberty that allows them to make so much noise.

Since 9/11...50 million Iraqis and Afghanis have been freed from the yoke of the most horrible oppression. America should be proud of this accomplishment.
Speaking out freely against the authorities meant sure death in these countries. Women had no voice in anything. Education and travel were reserved for the elite few willing to perpetuate the worst crimes against their own people.
These situations do not cure themselves. Someone had to take action, decisive action, after the UN failed.

Hopefully at some point the complainers will shift their focus to other countries where daily horrible crimes against humanity continue. Hopefully they will begin to understand that we do not have to nor should we sit on our hands while Hitlers, Stalins, Husseins and Bin Ladens use tyranny, torture, and inhumane death to take over countries.

America is the land of the free because of the brave.
Besides taking up space, our dissidents also play one important role. They prove to the rest of the world that we are free.

The world is a very complicated place. East Germany catapulted from the 1930s to the 1990s overnite. The Montagnard refugees have gone from grass huts to a free society overnight. Sudanese and others have been brought from the lifestyle similar to the 1700s to a contemporary life overnight. All that I have met are grateful and thankful. Yes, the transition is difficult but, all of these folks desperately want a chance to live free.

I work with refugees everyday. I watched a family of eight that had suffered greatly for their entire lives (Several of their family members had been summarily executed.) get off an airplane last Wed night. Immediately after clearing security, this family all knelt in the middle of the passageway and offered many prayers of thanks for a safe arrival in America, Land Of The Free.

America represents hope. For many of the most severely oppressed people on earth, we are the only hope. If we are not willing to take definitive action to eliminate oppression, who will?
unclewest



To: Elsewhere who wrote (92685)4/12/2003 10:14:04 AM
From: FaultLine  Respond to of 281500
 
Yes, I read that last night on their website but it contains no evidence that these weapons have been indiscriminantly used in any way in civilian areas during this campaign.

Much of this whole issue is the on-going argument between the US and the anti-mine groups over what is classified as a mine. The anti-mine people, including HRW, want cluster munitions so classified and thus banned. This is getting at the real argument.

--fl