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To: greenspirit who wrote (93030)	4/12/2003 8:32:41 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Take a deep breath and relax. Maybe go for a long walk and join a support the troops rally in your area. :) Well said. The celebrations by the Iraqi people, the flowers given to American troops, and the cheering along the roads is all a part of the predictions you poo-pood a few weeks and months ago. Nope, I didn't say that. Others on the thread have. What I said was that it's still a bit early to say that. The reactions are mixed right now, some of what you say, some not so exuberant, some more sullen, some antagonistic. I say we wait a bit. Whereas the Afghan bit was as you say, Iraq is going to take a bit to say that, at least for large majorities. I'm not arguing it won't be said by those large majorities. Just that TWT. Yes, those like Bush, who are part of the great unwashed mass were right. And nearly 30 million people are free because of their clear headed thinking and dogged determination. Well, "free" is a very strong term. They are certainly rid of a dictator. If you mean "free" in that sense, then I agree. But I think of that meaning as a sort of low cal version. Freedom, meaning equal rights, decent legal institutions, perhaps the right to select folk to run for office, etc. That's down the road and may not arrive for a very long time. Will take a great deal of work. And the country you and I hail as our own has, at best, a rather ambiguous history on this score. We, for instance, took it away from Iran in the 50s. We should all hope for genuine freedom for them not a freedom that is dependent on a complaint relation to the US. I agree with the proposition that "freedom" in that sense is better than being without it. Always have.