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Politics : Stop the War! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (13115)4/13/2003 11:14:47 PM
From: rrufff  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 21614
 
Craig doesn't know the difference between Orthodox Christians and Orthodox Jews. His hatred stems from an Orthodox Greek who first bestowed Greek pleasures on his sorry arse. So now he hates Orthodox Jews --- go figure <gggg>



To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (13115)4/14/2003 6:30:28 AM
From: craig crawford  Respond to of 21614
 
>> Hitler, even though he is not required to by the Tripartite Pact, declares war on the United States. The United States then declares war on Germany. <<

the united states was aiding britain and the soviet union prior to pearl harbor and germany's declaration of war. even a cursory examination of history will reveal that franklin double-crossing rosenfelt was itching and plotting to enter the war against the germans. japan provided us the entrance through the back door.

>> His declaration of war made Russia our ally against Germany <<

as i said before, the united states was aiding the soviet union prior to germany's declaration of war.

>> But the Jews did all this. <<

there is never just one force agitating for war. there are always multiple forces. the jews were a significant factor though, and charles lindbergh expressed this in his speech in des moines on spetember 11, 1941. obviously the british wanted to drag us into the war as well. of course that pinko commie traitor roosevelt was just itching for a fight.

>> And Orthodox Jews. The Communists were rabid atheists and did not discriminate. <<

whoa, let's clarify this a bit. it all depends on the timeframe you are speaking of. jews were thoroughly in control of the red terror from the very beginning of the revolution. it was a handful of jews who murdered the tsar and his family. the jewish bolsheviks who gained control from the outset most certainly did discriminate. they rounded up and murdered the clergy but left the synagogues alone. far from being scared away, jewish immigrants actually poured into russia to grab some of the spoils. jews were so thoroughly in control that one could be shot simply for making an offensive anti-jewish remark. anti-semitism was outlawed in russia. it wasn't until a decade later that jewish control started to wane, and it wasn't until the mid to late thirties that stalin began his purges.

>> So: If Bolshevism was a Jewish conspiracy, why were none of its Russian dictators Jewish? You do know that Comrade Stalin studied to become one of those Orthodox priests, right? Not a rabbi? <<

ah, a most important question. if there is one thing you must learn about the jews, it's that they are masters at conducting their affairs beneath a cloak of secrecy. there are a plethora of examples to illustrate this. there has never been a jewish nightly news anchor on the big three networks. do you think this is a coincidence in a thoroughly jewish-dominated industry? the president of abc news is jewish, the executive producer of world news tonight with peter jennings is jewish, but how come peter jennings is not jewish? (jennings' kids are jewish however). likewise for nbc. the president of nbc news is jewish and a number of executive producers of the nightly news with brokaw have been jewish. so why tom brokaw instead of a jewish anchor? it's no big secret. jewish-author stephen d. isaacs wrote in his book Jews and American Politics, 1974:

In terms of Jews, television news is still a-Semitic, even though--or perhaps because--the networks are owned and managed largely by Jews. This has meant that, despite the abilities of individuals like Mike Wallace, Sander Vanocur, Elie Abel, David Shoenbrun, Herbert Kaplow, and many others, no Jew has been a network "anchor man". The outfront faces have been those of Walter Cronkite, John Chancellor, David Brinkley, Harry Reasoner, Eric Sevareid, Howard K. Smith, Frank Reynolds, and others. Jews could be the "back room" presidents of the networks' news divisions, as in the cases of Louis Cowan, Fred W. Friendly, and Richard Wald. But that no Jew could be an "anchor man" raises the suspicion that the networks have bent backwards to avoid any suggestion of being "Jewish," as well as to purvey a comforting WASP image to the overwhlemingly WASP audience. Able as they are, the Cronkites, Chancellors, and Smiths have served as a de-emphasis for the historical accident that all three commerical networks grew up under brilliant Jews--the National Broadcasting Company as part of General David Sarnoff's Radio Corporation of America, the Columbia Broadcasting System under William S. Paley, and the American Broadcasting Company under Leonard Goldenson after its split from NBC's old "Blue Network". --p. 46-47

so now we must ask himself, what is the purpose of this strategy and is this a relatively new phenomenon of jews preferring to exert power from behind the scenes? of course not. jewish culture has always emphasized secrecy and deception as a form of self-preservation.

jews don't want americans suspicions aroused as to just who is spoonfeeding them their news. therefore they put nice WASPish looking anchors on tv. it works rather well, because if you try to engage a philosemite in a debate about jewish control of the media, inevitably they will be quick to point out, "but jennings, brokaw and rather are not jewish!" jews are counting on americans to be lazy and not pay attention to that man behind the curtain as in the wizard of oz.

well this was their exact same tactic in the bolshevik revolution. when most americans think of the russian revolution only two names ever come to mind. lenin and stalin. occasionally you will come across someone who has heard of trotsky. lenin (who was of jewish descent on his mother's side) and stalin are examples of what is known as a "gentile front". powerful jews behind the scenes find a couple of sympathetic jews out front for palatable consumption. assuming for the sake of argument that lenin was not jewish and accepting that stalin was not, how would we know that they were sympathetic puppets of the jews?

well you have to dig a little deeper, and that's just what the clever jews are expecting you not to do.

just like peter jennings, lenin and stalin were both married to jewesses. lenin and stalin both spoke yiddish in their home and they both completely surrounded themselves with jews. stalin had a jewish daughter svetlana who eventually went on to marry a jew as well. of course trotsky was jewish and he was lenin's number two in command. stalin had a couple of jewish secretaries. he had jewish bodyguards and jewish doctors. when he was vacationing he left a jew in charge to run the government for him.

americans have been taught to recognize many names of german nazism, such as eichmann, goebbels, goering, himmler, etc but they have been conveniently kept in the dark about all the jews who administered the soviet regime.

a number of them are mentioned in this article by winston churchill:

ILLUSTRATED SUNDAY HERALD, FEBRUARY 8, 1920

ZIONISM versus BOLSHEVISM.
A STRUGGLE FOR THE SOUL OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE.

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By the Re. Hon. WINSTON S. CHURCHILL

Some people like Jews and some do not; but no thoughtful man can doubt the fact that they are beyond all question the most formidable and the most remarkable race which has ever appeared in the world.

Disraeli, the Jew Prime Minister of England, and Leader of the Conservative Party, who was always true to his race and proud of his origin, said on a well-known occasion: "The Lord deals with the nations as the nations deal with the Jews." Certainly when we look at the miserable state of Russia, where of all countries in the world the Jews were the most cruelly treated, and contrast it with the fortunes of our own country, which seems to have been so providentially preserved amid the awful perils of these times, we must admit that nothing that has since happened in the history of the world has falsified the truth of Disraeli's confident assertion.

Good and Bad Jews.
The conflict between good and evil which proceeds unceasingly in the breast of man nowhere reaches such an intensity as in the Jewish race. The dual nature of mankind is nowhere more strongly or more terribly exemplified. We owe to the Jews in the Christian revelation a system of ethics which, even if it were entirely separated from the supernatural, would be incomparably the most precious possession of mankind, worth in fact the fruits of all other wisdom and learning put together. On that system and by that faith there has been built out of the wreck of the Roman Empire the whole of our existing civilization.

And it may well be that this same astounding race may at the present time he in the actual process of producing another system of morals and philosophy, as malevolent as Christianity was benevolent, which, if not arrested, would shatter irretrievably all that Christianity has rendered possible. It would almost seem as if the gospel of Christ and the gospel of Antichrist were destined to originate among the same people; and that this mystic and mysterious race had been chosen for the supreme manifestations, both of the divine and the diabolical.

'National' Jews.
There can be no greater mistake than to attribute to each individual a recognizable share in the qualities which make up the national character. There are all sorts of men -- good, bad and, for the most part, indifferent -- in every country, and in every race. Nothing is more wrong than to deny to an individual, on account of race or origin, his right to be judged on his personal merits and conduct. In a people of peculiar genius like the Jews, contrasts are more vivid, the extremes are more widely separated, the resulting consequences are more decisive.

At the present fateful period there are three main lines of political conception among the Jews. two of which are helpful and hopeful in a very high degree to humanity, and the third absolutely destructive.

First there are the Jews who, dwelling in every country throughout the world, identify themselves with that country, enter into its national life and, while adhering faithfully to their own religion, regard themselves as citizens in the fullest sense of the State which has received them. Such a Jew living in England would say, "I am an English man practising the Jewish faith." This is a worthy conception, and useful in the highest degree. We in Great Britain well know that during the great struggle the influence of what may be called the "National Jews" in many lands was cast preponderatingly on the side of the Allies; and in our own Army Jewish soldiers have played a most distinguished part, some rising to the command of armies, others winning the Victoria Cross for valour.

The National Russian Jews, in spite of the disabilities under which they have suffered, have managed tn play an honorable and useful part in the national life even of Russia. As bankers and industrialists they have strenuously promoted the development of Russia's economic resources, and they were foremost in the creation of those remarkable organizations, the Russian Co-operative Societies. In politics their support has been given, for the most part, to liberal and progressive movements, and they have been among the staunchest upholder of friendship with France and Great Britain.

International Jews.
In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.

Terrorist Jews.
There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution, by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews, it is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd) or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.

'Protector of the Jews.'
Needless to say, the most intense passions of revenge have been excited in the breasts of the Russian people. Wherever General Denikin's authority could reach, protection was always accorded to the Jewish population, and strenuous efforts were made by his officers to prevent reprisals and to punish those guilty of them. So much was this the case that the Petlurist propaganda against General Denikin denounced him as the Protector of the Jews. The Misses Healy, nieces of Mr. Tim Healy, in relating their personal experiences in Kieff, have declared that to their knowledge on more than one occasion officers who committed offenses against Jews were reduced to the ranks and sent out of the city to the front. But the hordes of brigands by whom the whole. vast expanse of the Russian Empire is becoming infested do not hesitate to gratify their lust for blood and for revenge at the expense of the innocent Jewish population whenever an opportunity occurs. The brigand Makhno, the hordes of Petlura and of Gregorieff, who signalized their every success by the most brutal massacres, everywhere found among the half-stupefied, half-infuriated population an eager response to anti-Semitism in its worst and foulest forms.

The fact that in many cases Jewish interests and Jewish places of worship are excepted by the Bolsheviks from their universal hostility has tended more and more to associate the Jewish race in Russia with the villainies, which are now being perpetrated. This is an injustice on millions of helpless people, most of whom are themselves sufferers from the revolutionary regime. It becomes, therefore, specially important to foster and develop any strongly-marked Jewish movement which leads directly away from these fatal associations. And it is here that Zionism has such a deep significance for the whole world at the present time.

A Home for the Jews.
Zionism offers the third sphere to the political conceptions of the Jewish race. In violent contrast to international communism, it presents to the Jew a national idea of a commanding character. it has fallen to the British Government, as the result of the conquest of Palestine, to have the opportunity and the responsibility of securing for the Jewish race all over the world a home and centre of national life. The statesmanship and historic sense of Mr. Balfour were prompt to seize this opportunity. Declarations have now been made which have irrevocably decided the policy of Great Britain. The fiery energies of Dr. Weissmann, the leader, for practical purposes, of the Zionist project. backed by many of the most prominent British Jews, and supported by the full authority of Lord Allenby, are all directed to achieving the success of this inspiring movement.

Of course, Palestine is far too small to accommodate more than a fraction of the Jewish race, nor do the majority of national Jews wish to go there. But if, as may well happen, there should be created in our own lifetime by the banks of the Jordan a Jewish State under the protection of the British Crown, which might comprise three or four millions of Jews, an event would have occurred in the history of the world which would, from every point of view, be beneficial, and would be especially in harmony with the truest interests of the British Empire.

Zionism has already become a factor in the political convulsions of Russia, as a powerful competing influence in Bolshevik circles with the international communistic system. Nothing could be more significant than the fury with which Trotsky has attacked the Zionists generally, and Dr. Weissmann in particular. The cruel penetration of his mind leaves him in no doubt that his schemes of a world-wide communistic State under Jewish domination are directly thwarted and hindered by this new ideal, which directs the energies and the hopes of Jews in every land towards a simpler, a truer, and a far more attainable goal. The struggle which is now beginning between the Zionist and Bolshevik Jews is little less than a struggle for the soul of the Jewish people.

Duty of Loyal Jews.
It is particularly important in these circumstances that the national Jews in every country who are loyal to the land of their adoption should come forward on every occasion, as many of them in England have already done, and take a prominent part in every measure for combating the Bolshevik conspiracy. In this way they will be able to vindicate the honor of the Jewish name and make it clear to all the world that the Bolshevik movement is not a Jewish movement, but is repudiated vehemently by the great mass of the Jewish race.

But a negative resistance to Bolshevism in any field is not enough. Positive and practicable alternatives are needed in the moral as well as in the social sphere; and in building up with the utmost possible rapidity a Jewish national centre in Palestine which may become not only a refuge to the oppressed from the unhappy lands of Central Europe, but which will also be a symbol of Jewish unity and the temple of Jewish glory, a task is presented on which many blessings rest.