To: LindyBill who wrote (93372 ) 4/14/2003 3:22:29 AM From: marcos Respond to of 281500 That's the 'i was just following orders' defense ... sure Phoenix was 'effective', you kill every living thing and guaranteed the place will be 'pacified' ..... here's a bit on Speedy Express - ' "Death is our business and business is good," was the slogan painted on one / 43/ helicopter unit’s quarters during the operation. And so it was. Cumulative statistics for "Speedy Express" show that 10,899 "enemy" were killed. In the month of March alone, "over 3,000 enemy troops were killed … which is the largest monthly total for any American division in the Vietnam war," said the division's official magazine. When asked to account for the enormous body counts, a division senior officer explained that helicopter crews often caught unarmed "enemy" in open fields. But Vietnamese repeatedly told me that those ‘enemy" were farmers, gunned down while they worked in their rice fields. ' - chss.montclair.edu From your post - 'world wide liking for our individual soldiers overseas, as compared to the reaction to those from other countries. ' ..... you seem to have a deep need to believe this, which is probably understandable given your conviction that the planet should be ruled by fiat from the backrooms of Washington ..... still though, you should maybe get a little feedback on how fantastically arrogant that sounds to the Rest of Us It would make little difference to me from what nation came an individual, in or out of anybody's military ... i'm somewhat partial to a scots or danish or kiwi accent, but that's a mild thing, wouldn't matter much, i'd judge the guy on first impression of his nature, his quality as a human being ..... overweening arrogance would be a negative in this process, be it noted ... anything resembling an order, any sign of an intention to dominate, these too would be negatives, coming from one not of my own tribe with the sweet smelling farts ..... see, you may like yours best of all, but so do others, we like our own best .... social interaction with the foreigner is often interesting of course, but it will tend to strain the relationship when they point guns at us and drive their tanks through our huts ... and come to think of it, dutch and irish tend to do less of this, so i would maybe personally, ceteris paribus, prefer to drink beer with them, thanks But i realise what you're doing, with the rah-rah go-war business ... proceed, i can't be around much during this week so take the last word .... you know that i know that the record you promote is not unblemished, no war machine of that size and firepower could possibly be spotless [happened to note Oliver North 'reporting', and no mention made of his thirty thousands victims in 1980s Nicaragua, but then that was not a large surprise, that lack of mention, eh] .... so anyway you go right ahead, i only came over here earlier to see if a couple of others had posted ... cheers