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To: LindyBill who wrote (93383)	4/14/2003 4:47:44 AM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Re: WSJ's article on Terrorists, and Salman Pak...and quote: We suspect it wasn't for training Air France pilots. unquote But first, believe it or not, that was respectful...I didn't mention quite a few other "sources"....although heaven only knows, most have been printed here with "huzzzas...." Wonder when "some" of the folks who actually can read, will? We here on FADG have read about Salman Pak for well over a year...maybe two. Some of the people outside SI are going to think this is a "new found piece of info..." Some of those same folks see no connection to Saddam and 9-11... The Salman Pak camp 20 miles south of Baghdad has also been taken thanks, says CentCom, to information obtained from captured foreign fighters of various nations, including Sudan and Egypt. The camp even possessed an airline fuselage. We suspect it wasn't for training Air France pilots. A reasonable assumption is that the fuselage, the train cars and a burned-out double-decker bus also discovered at Salman Pak were the stuff of hijacker training. This supports the statements of two former Iraqi military officers who in the fall of 2001 told PBS's "Frontline" and the New York Times that Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs went to Salman Pak to practice hijacking planes and trains, planting bombs and staging assassinations. Now's a good time to start exploring whether any of the September 11 hijackers are graduates of Salman Pak or other terrorist-training camps in Iraq

To: LindyBill who wrote (93383)	4/14/2003 4:53:57 AM
From: KLP	Respond to of 281500

Secret Police Files Found BAGHDAD, April 12, 2003 cbsnews.com A man holds up a photo found inside the military intelligence headquarters. (AP) "A lot of families in the surrounding area had family members who were in here." Greg Clancy, First Marines (CBS) U.S. Marines have uncovered an underground vault containing the detailed files of Saddam Hussein's secret police. Under the headquarters of the Special Security Organization, run by Saddam's most trusted son, Qusay, the Marines found a massive complex of offices over an area the size of two football fields, littered with millions of documents — detailed records that stretch back more than three decades. In just one room were files for a million souls — their pictures, personal details, and entire history recorded in minute, chilling detail, reports CBS News Correspondent Lara Logan. The complex was targeted by coalition planes on the first night of bombing. A missile struck the prison, the place where people who dared criticize the regime often ended up, many never seen or heard of again. Now, with Marines in control, people want answers. Angry families descended on the neighboring intelligence headquarters, searching for any trace of loved ones. "A lot of families in the surrounding area had family members who were in here," said Greg Clancy, First Marines. "One of them I'd heard hasn't seen their relative in six years but the last place they knew that they were in was this prison." But Saddam's faithful fled before us forces arrived. They left no prisoners behind. In its 2002 annual report, the human rights organization Amnesty International said that Iraq employed systemic torture. "Common methods of physical torture included electric shocks or cigarette burns to various parts of the body, pulling out of fingernails, rape, long periods of suspension by the limbs from either a rotating fan in the ceiling or from a horizontal pole, beating with cables, hosepipe or metal rods, and falaqa (beating on the soles of the feet)," the report read. "In addition, detainees were threatened with rape and subjected to mock execution. They were placed in cells where they could hear the screams of others being tortured and were deliberately deprived of sleep." ©MMIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.