To: zonder who wrote (13311 ) 4/14/2003 5:13:28 PM From: Hawkmoon Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 21614 Good. Took you three posts, but better late than never :-) Which seems to be a better record than you have shown.. <sigh> I don't believe you've ever admitted to being wrong about anything (but you're about to get 11 more reasons to do so when the evidence if fully displayed in Karbala). After all, you claimed the Padishah took Turkey into war, while utterly ommitting the fact that the Hamidian despotism was overthrown by the young turks in 1908, rendering the padishah a mere figure head in the government. The young turks identified with the west, and in particular Imperial Germany and Austro-Hungary. They were anti-islamic secularists who saw such an alliance as further subverting any remaining power of the padishah. So where's YOUR "mea culpa"?? (and don't think I'm going to be surprised when you fail to offer one).The Hamidian despotism was ended by the Young Turk Revolution(1908-09) and replaced by constitutional, parliamentary government under the Young Turk Committee of Union and Progress. Their policies reflected a growing sense of Turkish nationalism. But in the five years preceding World War I, two Balkan wars and a war with Italy, which had invaded Libya, brought the military element of the Young Turk movement to the fore and resulted in the domination of the Istanbul political scene by the Young Turk Triumverate ( Enver, Talat, and Jemal Pashas) . Under their leadership, the Ottomans entered World War I on the side of Germany. The victors dictated the peace to end all peace at Paris in 1919. With even the heartlands of the Empire partitioned and Istanbul occupied by the victorious allies, the Turks of Anatolia under the leadership of Mustafa Kemal (Ataturk) rejected the terms of the dictated Treaty of Sevres. Again they took up arms, fought successfully for their independence, and --- bringing to an end the 600 + year-old Ottoman Empire –- negotiated the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923 which granted international recognition to the boundaries of the new Republic of Turkey turizm.net