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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (17078)	4/14/2003 1:11:42 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

outside the military operations, this war is an unmitigated disaster LOL! Tell it to the Iraqis dancing in the streets.....

To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (17078)	4/14/2003 1:17:49 PM
From: abuelita	Respond to of 89467

good for you jim. -rose

To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (17078)	4/14/2003 1:24:18 PM
From: Mannie	Respond to of 89467

Excellent, Jim.

To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (17078)	4/14/2003 2:10:53 PM
From: lurqer	Respond to of 89467

Market commentary from a well known source. investorshub.com lurqer

To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (17078)	4/14/2003 2:37:51 PM
From: Sully-	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

'when perhaps 50-70% of the Iraqi Army members wanted to surrender?" They didn't surrender, plain & simple. They tried foolishly to fight a clearly superior force. If they were forced to stay, that is sad but not our fault. Try the criminals who made them stay. Blame those responsible, not Bush or our troops. The number of casualties in this war will never be close to the number tortured, raped & slaughtered by the Butcher of Baghdad. Not even close. And the world will be a safer, freer place for it. I'm glad we have a vastly superior military. Sure beats the hell out of Saddam or some other mad muthur phucker having it. Rant & rave about Bush, warmongering, imperialism & all that other absolute bullshit. History will show who did what & IMVCO, Bush will, in the end do the right thing. "war fatalies are 1000:1 this is not a testament to our superiority IT IS A TESTAMENT TO OUR CRUELTY, DEHUMANIZATION OF THE ENEMY, AND OUR ATROCITIES" Got the first part right. Got the second part totally wrong. We are using our vastly superior military to snuff out a brutal, repressive regime that harbored, financed & supported terrorism. A regime that would not give up its' WMD's & WMD programs. I'm glad that the ratio was inordinately lopsided in our favor. Might surely was right in this fight. "your pride in this war makes me want to puke you sound like a patriotic blind fool" Again with the inappropriate name calling & labeling that has no basis in fact or reality. I supported this war for the right reasons. And history will as well. "our willingness to use Conventional Weapons of Mass Death Destruction will make post-war public relations with Arab nations utterly impossible" It will be their very serious mistake to do so. Bush kept his word. He also took care of JOB #1...... defend our safety & security. And he did it with aplomb. "congratulations on a victory over a helpless enemy fighting with rifles pointed at their backs " If true, history will lay blame precisely where it belongs. At the feet of Saddam & his henchmen. "utterly pathetic to feel pride in this war" Not pride in this war. War is HELL! I have pride in our troops. I have pride in our Presidient for doing the right thing when so many others with their evil support & financial profiteering from that regime should feel real shame. And anyone who supported them or employed deplorable actions pretending to be against this war to disguise purely political/financial agendas. "we have not only alienated the Other Arab World we have alienated the Axis in Europe outside the military operations, this war is an unmitigated disaster." We will see. I firmly believe you will be proven wrong. Time will tell. "any tears of pride over their Museum being destroyed? after our countless promises to protect it? this is about oil and airbases, you kneejerker" Don't put words in my mouth & quit calling me names that have ZERO basis in fact or reality. I think the looting is deplorable. I wish there was a way it could have been avoided. However, with known terrorists in the streets & fighting still in ever decreasing areas, policing would have only exposed large quantities of Coalition targets to easy sniping & suicide bombs. Phuck material things. Protect our troops first & foremost. We didn't create the environment for retribution & hatred that led to mass looting. I notice that the disgust at the loss of material things seems to be a HUGE issue with the Anti-Bush crowd. I also notice that liberating 24 million people from three decades of unspeakable horrors gets not one accolade. That stinks of something beyond honest dissent or disapproval. It is dishonesty at it worst. Oh, oil shmoil. That's been beat to death. Didn't work before the war, won't work now. And history will show it was not about imperialism or stealing oil. I'm willing to bet on it.

To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (17078)	4/15/2003 1:19:47 AM
From: techguerrilla	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

Jim post 17078 ..... ..... This was your finest hour. You almost sound like a true liberal. My attitude about this inhumane war on Iraq could not have been better stated. I find this post of yours to be a fitting birthday present for me since it was posted on April 14. I have not been disgusted by anything in my life as much as by this horrific war on Iraq. Protecting the Oil Ministry but not protecting the National Museum pretty much wraps it up for me. That is kind of symbolic of the entire adventure. The damage this war will cause the United States in the long run will be immeasurable. /john

To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (17078)	4/15/2003 5:21:23 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

that is why we shredded them from the air, so as to minimize USArmy casualties OF COURSE, STUPID! While I'm sure you would feel better if tens of thousands of body bags were coming back, the rest of us wouldn't. Intelligent military leadership consists of destroying the enemy forces with a minimum of damage to your own forces. That is what good generalship IS! RG numbered at least 500,000 in all no way Jose did even half of them want to be there Republican Guard? They were supposed to be the elite of the Iraqi army, weren't they? What you are claiming is the equivalent of a US trooper being forced into the Green Berets. It don't happen that way. why dont US Networks report that battlefield Iraqi deaths numbered between 75,000 and 100,000 ??? I don't know. Why don't they? Maybe because it's not true? And so what? This is war. You do what you must do to make the other guy surrender. If he won't surrender you kill him. You think it's better to let him kill you? the five Arab Networks are reporting it And they tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth all the time, right? They have NO vested interest in lying? IT IS A TESTAMENT TO OUR CRUELTY, DEHUMANIZATION OF THE ENEMY, AND OUR ATROCITIES Nope. It is a testament to decades of work and a well planned and executed war. congratulations on a victory over a helpless enemy fighting with rifles pointed at their backs Ah, may I be so impolite as to point out those were not OUR guns pointed at their backs? THe use of "combat police" is fairly common in war by dictatorships. Their purpose is to force the troops to fight and kill them if they won't. this should have been fought with 2000 Special Forces working undercover or under the cover of darkness Well, brilliant leader and big man, why didn't you offer to lead the charge? Too easy to sit back here and carp? we have alienated the Axis in Europe Certainly an appropriate use of words there. One of the original Axis powers was that current whiner, Germany, then a brutal, butchering dictatorship itself.