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To: RetiredNow who wrote (63585)4/16/2003 11:13:07 PM
From: BWAC  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 77400
 
The problem has nothing to do with accountability or expense estimation. It has to do with shareholder rights and their ability to hold the BOD to fiduciary duties.

I'm tired of the expensing debate. You want to actually solve the problem? Give the shareholder some rights that can be enforced.



To: RetiredNow who wrote (63585)4/17/2003 1:40:46 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor  Respond to of 77400
 
I only know what the result of bumping salaries by 10% and no options would do to the "tech lead" class, directors and such. My view is they would leave, I've made this case before here, but just to reiterate- tech lead jobs are just as hard as executive posts, certainly harder than "consulting" positions, but for a number of reasons the salaries of these folks range about 10-20% more than your average developer. Take a look at the salary of a file system technical lead in a software company and you'll see what I mean. The director of QA makes much more, since management salaries traditionally are higher than most "individual contributors", but this certainly does not mean that a director of QA is a tougher position to fill or maintain than a file system technical lead! The difference in compensation right now is purely options. So we are going to have to go back to square one and re-evaluate pay from a personnel perspective to get these companies to function without options. I'm not saying it can't be done... just that right now this is not a priority. As a shareholder I'm not sure I am better off paying every mid level leader in R&D what he is really worth. I'd rather underpay them just like the situation we have now (since options granted the last few years will expire worthless). As a worker in this situation I will convert to contract as soon as I can, I will not work my @ss off for 10K more per year than a report writer makes in IT, its just common sense imo.

I'm fairly sure that most of the discussions we have had on this thread wrt options are not applicable to an R&D facility. People that have managed large US-based R&D know what I mean. We've got a real compensation problem without options.

The underlying problem with R&D is that we as an industry never quite figured out how to optimize the process. It just takes too many chiefs to get a product out the door, always has but as technology has become more and more complex, more chiefs are needed. Once upon a time we had client/server software which was a level or two more complex than the prior iteration. For Client server, you needed a set of chiefs on the client side and another set of chiefs on the server side for every product that went out the door. Now we have gone way beyond that with the n-tier architecture. You need a set of chiefs for your data layer, your BP layer, your browser people. The sheer growth of complexity in software architecture is the sole reason companies like MERQ are flourishing even in this recession. The problem is all these people have to be paid. All the complexity in engineering is ignored by the people evaluating these companies based on whatever they did in the 80s, or whatever past metric we used. I don't think it is a stretch for even non-technical people to understand that more software chiefs are needed to write software that works on the internet vs. software that works on a PC or single CPU system like an old VAX. Think about security for one thing. Thats an entire dept that was irrelevant before.