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Politics : Stop the War! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: zonder who wrote (14141)	4/17/2003 10:14:32 AM
From: rrufff	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21614

Whatever it takes - same with destroying tyranny in Iraq and perhaps Syria. In this country, we don't believe in putting a value on freedom, at least not since 9/11.

To: zonder who wrote (14141)	4/17/2003 11:20:37 AM
From: Edscharp	Respond to of 21614

Zonder, "When you take out the amounts you objected to in the post you have written in reply to Emile's, what number remains?" That's really an inappropriate way to estimate the true amount sent to Israel. . First, the article was incomplete. It did not attempt to account for the entire $1.3 trillion. Secondly, Emile's misinformation ultimately emanates from a consultant by the name of Thomas Stauffer. Some items mentioned in the article were missing information. For instance, in one instance the article states that Stauffer adjusted his figures to be understood in terms of year 2001 purchasing power. Anotherwards, he inflated the figures, but the article doesn't say by how much. Lastly, Staufer was incredibly biased. Part of the $1.3 trillion aid to Israel estimate he came up with actually includes aid money sent to Egypt and Jordan. Stauffer's reasoning was because if it weren't for Israel the United States wouldn't have sent the money to these countries. Well, the logic escapes me. Aid to Egypt and Jordan shouldn't be included in the estimates of aid sent to Israel. Also, as I mentioned, Stauffer has done work for the Palestine Center, an aid organization for Palestinians, which leads me to conclude that he has biases similar to the ones we've seen on this board by Posters like Emile, Gustave, Anthony, Craig, G.J. and select others.

To: zonder who wrote (14141)	4/18/2003 2:11:02 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21614

zonder, Re: U.S. Financial Aid to Israel: wrmea.com $87,835,000 since 1948 ************ The part I really get a kick out of is the way that they create phony loans that eventually get forgiven years later. Just like Ken Lay at Enron and Bernie Ebbers at Worldcom, Israel is working the big con. Speaking of the big con, this is pretty funny: markfiore.com Cheerio!

To: zonder who wrote (14141)	4/18/2003 5:47:27 AM
From: AK2004	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21614

~ 100 billion, interest included (adjusted) here is few things to compare it to 1) Original Marshall plan of $13B with interest would be close $750B In addition European economy is subsidized via trade deficit - US/France trade deficit alone is 10B/year. France, not a full member of NATO and the country that is down right hostile to US, cost US so much that all money spent on Israel could qualify as a rounding error.

To: zonder who wrote (14141)	4/18/2003 7:35:10 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21614

"When you take out the amounts you objected to in the post you have written in reply to Emile's, what number remains? " That would leave only $600,000,000,000 (six hundred billion) in handouts to Israel since 1973. Don't you feel a lot better now about Washington's frugal treatment of our tax dollars. We also have to reduce the $2 million for each Israeli family of five to ONLY $750,000 !