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To: marcos who wrote (2489)	4/18/2003 1:30:50 AM
From: SofaSpud	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 37179

Paul's post is very heart-warming, and awfully credulous, don't you think? I get the sense from your posts that you've probably been around the block one or more times than I have, but I have to say, Paul sounds like he is laps behind both of us. I wasn't particularly aware during Bourassa's first term, but by no means was his later stint as Premier all sweetness and federalist light. The Quebec Liberals were, frankly, more unsettling to national unity because they had the threat to hold over the rest of us: "we were elected because, as federalists, we can show that we can get a better deal." Far more a knife to the throat, frankly, than dealing with separatists. Do I buy the idea that federal policy has been driven to date in '03 by Quebec politics? Maybe, although I'm not sure it isn't what Chretien really wanted to do anyway. Do I think that 'tit Jean is going to be some kind of warm, fuzzy federalist pushover? Not if he wants to survive his first term, let alone go for a second. Sovereignty in Quebec may be on the backburner; Lord knows the people I know there are far, far more interested in getting on with economic life. A PQ victory would have given Landry propoganda rights, but it wouldn't have made difference one to what the provincial government would have pursued as policy. Charest could well prove to be more "dangerous", because he has much, much more to prove to the "pur laines."

To: marcos who wrote (2489)	4/18/2003 9:13:29 AM
From: Ally	Respond to of 37179

>Look at the middle east now - everything that happens in the entire region for the next fifty years will be the responsibility of the US soldier and taxpayer .... it didn't have to be that way, there could have been a genuine alliance of democracies handling this< Exactly Marcos.... the only aftermath of the war is a heavy yoke on the American people themselves. Already, the budget stricken States are further cutting back on medicare to seniors and the disabled. The salt on the wound will be the ungrateful Iraqis continuing to habour hatred and distrust of America. Sometimes I wonder why Bush Administration thinks it can perform a miracle... quick election, U.S. troops leave, Iraqis grateful to America forever. We can already see there is no love for the conqueror. Iraqis under the age of 35 does not know what the heck democracy is. Democracy itself requires a sophisticated infrastructure of laws, judges, policing, and an aquired culture of civility. It is a comedy line when CNN reports that the whole process will take about 6 months. With the Bush Administration wanting to do it alone, the end results, no matter what, will be suspect in the eyes of other countries. Already the Bush doctrine has cost America billions of dollars. CEOs are not spending because of the uncertainties, pension liabilities caused by three years limp stock market will take huge chunks out of earnings, States have to spend more on homeland security rather than social and educational programs, and now, the billions needed to make sure Iraq is democratized. Combine the above with the madness of Bush's fiscal policy to further swell the debt load, interest rates already close to zero, and the economic jihad on America by two-thirds of the world's population.... the ordinary American has nothing to cheer about for the rest of this decade as they see their dollar continue to plummet, their savings worth less, and their standard of living spiralling down.