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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (94709)	4/18/2003 8:43:55 PM
From: FaultLine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The Core goals we should insist on. NonCore goals, we should set a good example ourselves, and let them follow, when and if they choose to. Core: 1. no WMD 2. no Safe Haven for global terrorism 3. no attacks on neighbors NonCore: 1. everything else. Completely disagree. This list glosses over every aspect of the constitution I hope they set up. This is just a list of foreign affairs matters, not personal freedom and a bill of rights... --fl

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (94709)	4/18/2003 9:06:20 PM
From: epsteinbd	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

So, the subject is democracy in Arabland. Good. Let's examine which country had a possibility, and a political will, to install it since it's independence. One and only one, (if you exclude the young Afghanistan). Algeria. The political ruling party wanted it. There were no middle class bourgeois to crush it, nor a religious party yet. But they wanted too much, were scared it won't work, so were a bit corrupted for their Swiss retirement accounts, and the USSR were too eager to help, outbid the US, while the real Arab democracy was certainly not a Krouchtchevian moral dictat. ( Note that France was in favor and helped). Now the kings, princes, presidents for life, thugs and mullahs elsewhere in Arabland were never for it, and they are not going to help at all. So, be nice for the Arabs. They need it badly and they only have you people. Push a system that pushes freedom. Not only for women, also for girls who get married by daddy to whoever pays most. And there are hundreds of other good reasons for it.

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (94709)	4/19/2003 7:47:50 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

>>That's like saying American women had no liberty, until the 1920s, because they didn't have the vote.<< Or like saying blacks had no liberty in Selma, Alabama, until in the 1960's, because they didn't have the vote. Whereas history makes clear that once women and blacks got the vote, their well-being improved dramatically. They (we) were no longer excluded from almost all avenues of public life, as we had been. So please cease the patronizing - voting is a fundamental human right - for women, for blacks, for Iraqis.