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To: JohnM who wrote (94756)	4/19/2003 12:41:22 AM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 281500

A steady diet of The Weekly Standard and National Review, et al will always deaden your taste for serious political commentary. You guys on the left are starting to remind me of "Dream Palace of the Arabs," by Fouad Ajami. It shows how the Arabs are living in a dream world, and I beginning think you are too. Don't read to much stuff like that article, John. Bad for your mental condition. lindybill@waltermitty.com

To: JohnM who wrote (94756)	4/19/2003 1:33:10 AM
From: Eashoa' M'sheekha	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Iraqs Neighbors Call for US Withdrawal. [ Seems the locals are more concerned than what the media is letting on these days.I saw none of this mentioned in ANY mainstream media to date.This is quite serious,and I'm surprised more Americans here are not concerned about this.But hey..it's their game as long as everyone goes by their rules I guess. ] By ADNAN MALIK Associated Press Writer April 18, 2003, 7:08 PM EDT RIYADH, Saudi Arabia -- U.S. and British "occupation forces" should quickly leave Iraq and the United Nations should have a central role in the creation of a new Iraqi government, foreign ministers from the region said early Saturday. After an emergency meeting to discuss fallout from the war, the ministers also called on the U.S.-led coalition to fulfill obligations under international law to maintain security and stability in Iraq while there, and to protect the rights of the Iraqi people and their cultural heritage. "American forces are occupation forces, even the Americans and British have said that," the host, Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal, said at a closing news conference. "They cannot fulfill their obligations according to the Geneva convention unless they are called what they are." The joint declaration also condemned U.S. threats against Syria for allegedly harboring members of the ousted Iraqi regime and developing chemical weapons. The ministers urged dialogue to promote regional stability. The meeting in the Saudi capital included the foreign ministers of all Iraq's neighbors -- Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Syria, Jordan, Turkey and Iran. Egypt and Bahrain also participated. The final statement stressed the foreign troops had an "obligation to withdraw from Iraq and allow Iraqis to exercise their right to self determination." Ministers said they wanted it to be done quickly but didn't set a deadline. "We certainly would like the Americans to withdraw from Iraq as soon as possible," Iranian Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi said, echoing comments of many of his colleagues. "If the United Nations is there, certainly they can take care of their own future." The statement said the United Nations should have a central role in rebuilding Iraq, but stressed that "the Iraqi people should administer and govern their country by themselves," including making decisions on the exploitation of the country's oil wealth. "The Iraqi people have the final say," Saud said. "We won't be interfering and we won't accept any other interference in the Iraqi affairs." Reflecting Turkey's fears about the possibility of a Kurdish breakaway state in northern Iraq that could incite Turkey's own Kurdish population, the statement stressed commitment to Iraq's territorial integrity. Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul said Iraq's democratically elected government should represent all ethnic groups. Saudi Arabia called the meeting to get Middle Eastern countries involved in the reorganization and rebuilding of Iraq. Saud also urged the countries to offer humanitarian assistance

To: JohnM who wrote (94756)	4/19/2003 3:19:27 PM
From: bela_ghoulashi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

OT: The Current State of Theory in Academia: "I would make the argument that most criticism — and I would include Noam Chomsky in this — is a poison pill," he said. "I think one must be careful in assuming that intellectuals have some kind of insight. In fact, if the track record of intellectuals is any indication, not only have intellectuals been wrong almost all of the time, but they have been wrong in corrosive and destructive ways." Mr. Fish nodded approvingly. "I like what that man said," he said. "I wish to deny the effectiveness of intellectual work. And especially, I always wish to counsel people against the decision to go into the academy because they hope to be effective beyond it." ...Several [other] speakers weighed in before Mr. Gates stood up. As far as he could tell, he said, theory had never directly liberated anyone. "Maybe I'm too young," he said. "I really didn't see it: the liberation of people of color because of deconstruction or poststructuralism." nytimes.com