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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Srexley who wrote (395219)	4/20/2003 12:26:08 AM
From: dvdw©	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

SR,,Very good post, you nailed some very key points. Those on the left are in big trouble, America hating is a past time on the decline, the vanity of the left is what is going to be reduced to rubble. It's funny that these folks persist, the left has this record, every state in the last 100 years they've been the victors, they've done horrendous damage. Yet they persist, I used to not understand why with the facts of their movement, available to them as hindsight, why they never seemed to change their methods and always have such dark turths of history attached to them. Finnaly I've come to grips with this, the left is always in the throes of revolution, because once they've used up the political and social capital of a given country, they must move on to the next, stealing is what its all about for them...the whole movement is reduced to the fundamental fact of the actions of thieves.

To: Srexley who wrote (395219)	4/20/2003 12:38:33 AM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Seniors Blast Bush Environmental Programs Sat Apr 19, 5:51 AM ET Add Politics - AP to My Yahoo! By JUDY LIN, Associated Press Writer PITTSBURGH - Some seniors and environmentalists are accusing the Bush administration of discriminating against older people by telling agencies calculating the value of environmental programs to take the age of those benefiting into account. Critics say it's unfair to place a lesser value on environmental regulations that help people who have fewer years to live. They plan to raise questions about the idea Wednesday, when the EPA holds a town meeting in Pittsburgh. "How can they say my life is less valuable than an infant's?" said Jo Ann Evansgardner, a 78-year-old environmental activist in Pittsburgh. "It's like they're playing God, to claim they can put a dollar value on me that differs from someone else." The White House Office of Management and Budget has directed the Environmental Protection Agency (news - web sites) and other regulatory agencies to factor age into cost-benefit analyses, but also to continue the traditional process of calculating benefits regardless of age. Using both methods will provide better perspective on the worth of regulations, said the OMB's regulatory chief, John D. Graham. In some cases, taking age into account could increase the value placed on older lives, Graham said. In a recent EPA proposal to cut diesel exhaust from off-road engines, the life of a person under 65 was valued at $172,000 a year, compared to $434,000 for people 65 and older. "It recognizes that the elderly have precious few life-years remaining," Graham said. Environmentalists, however, say the method still values seniors less because it counts the per-year value for fewer years. They point to an EPA cost-benefit analysis on a proposal to cut snowmobile pollution in national parks. The worth of the proposal, which was ultimately dropped, fell considerably when the benefit to a person over age 70 was cut by one-third. Heather Sage, outreach coordinator for Citizens for Pennsylvania's Future, said lowering the value placed on seniors "would be a major setback, given that seniors are a susceptible population to soot and particulates." She accused the Bush administration of watering down environmental initiatives to favor polluters.

To: Srexley who wrote (395219)	4/20/2003 1:48:31 PM
From: J_F_Shepard	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

" it is a FACT that 90% of the media are democrats," I've been hearing that from guys like you for a long time, but no one posts a reference, can you???? "Fox is a bit pro-US"....are you suggesting that all other media outlets are anti-US??? Fox is main outlet of the RW propaganda machine. And BTW, Gen. Clark nor anyone else said we were losing....how the hell could we lose to a 3rd world power...if you thought that was a possibility you must think that was a great military victory....it was a turkey shoot. I believe cakewalk was the term the Bushies use.....and easier than the first war. The only difference was that the Iraqi's, although much weaker militarily this time, fought back to some degree.... And don't tell me the Pentagon has no estimate for Iraqi casualties.....we count bodies, my friend. You don't know current Iraqi war casualties, but you know the Saddam murdered 100's of thousands...again, where did you get that info??? When I told you to read the foreign press to compare and discern more truth, for you I meant look at the pictures cause I know you don't believe anything unless it comes from the WH., ie Fox or Rush... re:" if you think we are where we are because we lie," To take us into the war and get us hated by the rest of the world, Bush lied about Iraq's connection to 9/11, to the connection to Al Quaeda, about the WMD, and about a nuke program which even involved a forged document. And then he lied about freeing the Iraqi people... Finally, Bush and his lemmings are not the USA, they are merely governing it for the moment and IMO, doing a shitty job. The USA belongs to all of us and Bush and people like you do not own it. Here is a letter to the editor someone wrote to my local paper, I posted it earlier but I doubt that you read it: I stand by America, not those running it ''I pledge allegiance to the flag and to the United States of America.'' That's it. Not to Bush, not to Clinton. I don't have their pictures on my wall, their portraits are not up in the town square or outside my home; my flag is. My military, not Bush's, is in Iraq risking their lives for the freedom of people who are not even Americans, and for that they have my deepest respect. They were called to action. They are doing what is asked of them. Theirs is not to question why, theirs is but to do and die. It is, however, my job to question why. I, as an American, want to know why our children have been sent to partake in such a life-and-death struggle. It is incumbent upon us to make sure that, when our military is put in harm's way, there is a damn good reason for it. We want and deserve answers to our concerns. This administration has fallen short of accomplishing that. There are many unanswered questions, the least of which is this: Is my military being used as the Bush family's personal hit man? Is this about a pipeline the Bush family might be invested in? None of the above? They are all legitimate, unanswered questions. The protesters have my applause for not being willing to follow our leaders over a cliff. They will also have my anger if they choose to direct any of it toward our military men and women. Our military are doing exactly what they signed on to do. God bless them. Those complaining about the protesters just don't get it, do they? Jeffrey T. Walsh, Hyde Park