To: Biomaven who wrote (175 ) 4/21/2003 11:43:39 AM From: Crocodile Respond to of 4232 But note that Hong Kong is subtropical, and it's been pretty warm there for the last few months. Yes, that's true, but I think it's also fairly humid, which would probably contribute to the problem. Also, it suits some other aspects of typical contagious diseases which I've seen in livestock -- large numbers of individuals living in close quarters or "confined areas". Also, in livestock, good ventilation is a key ingredient in health. Poor quality air (smog, humidity, etc.. could exacerbate the situation). For example, diseases can tear right through a broiler chicken facility, hog finishing operation, or white veal operation in a matter of days. In livestock, some kinds of ventilation systems have even proven to contribute to the rapid spread of certain diseases if they move air from one area of a barn into another occupied area. In dairy barns, most farmers now raise their calves in outdoor calf hutches or in separate barns as it was found that air from the main part of the adult cow barn would carry bacteria and viruses into attached "calf nursery" areas where younger animals with poorer immune systems were penned. Very few farms have that kind of set up now that it is understood that this spreads certain diseases. "Recycling" of air is also dangerous, and yet this kind of thing does happen in human environments...think of apartment and office building, airplanes, etc... I think that, in some respects, we have to turn to some of the lessons that have been learned in high-density farming operations in order to understand how certain diseases can be unwittingly spread to healthy populations. For example, bio-security is a big issue on all intensive livestock operations. Visitors do not enter a barn. Or, if they must, they have to step through footbaths, or take showers and change into disposable clothing, etc... If you aren't familiar with modern livestock management, you might be quite surprised at just how "closed" most operations have become in response to the high morbidity of diseases such as BVD, hog cholera, etc... Bovine Viral Diarrhea is so highly infectious that it is easily spread by...let's say a veterinarian making farm calls, or the milk transport truck driver coming to your barn to pick up milk from your bulk tank, or a dead-stock pick-up guy coming by to take away a dead cow. Unfortunately, such occurrence of major disease outbreaks have caused farmers to take a very hard look at the movement of animals (quarantine in separate barns), closed herd, decontamination of objects, people, moving between barns, vaccination programs, etc... to control the really hot diseases. As mentioned in my last post, it is our movement towards high density livestock operations that has made it so necessary to make bio-security a major issue with farmers. In the old days when animals were spread out across the landscape and breathing fresh air and getting lots of sunlight, very few diseases caused the kinds of devastation which they are capable of today. I think there are important parallels that relate to human populations and the way in which we can expect diseases to behave.