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Politics : Stop the War! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epsteinbd who wrote (15523)	4/23/2003 12:21:21 PM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21614

Re: France invaded Algeria in + 1832 Common Era Israel invaded Israel in - 2500 Common Era And 250,000 non-Jewish Russians invaded Israel post-1989... and Europeans invaded the Americas from 1492 onwards... and Palestine once was a Christian kingdom under the yoke of the Templars and even a Belgian king, Godefroid de Bouillon (king of Jerusalem)... Come to think of it, perhaps the Crusaders ought to have kept Palestine as a Christian outpost --think about it: if, back in the Middle Ages, the Christian crusades had wound up successfully, Palestine today would be a Christian kingdom! In that case, your brave European and British patrons would NEVER have relinquished their grip over the cradle of Christendom to hapless Jews. If European crusaders had managed to keep Jerusalem, we wouldn't be debating over Israel and the Jews and the Zionists and the neocons today, and both Arafat and Sharon would be merely the local delegates of their respective minorities in a Christian-ruled country... Thank God the Christian crusades failed, eh? Re: So in Algeria, Arabs were killed at a 150 000 per year and in intifadaland 1OOO per year. You have a point here... Back in 1830, there was no CNN and no Al-Jazeera to broadcast live the occupation of Algeria by the French army... Likewise, there was no CNN to report the atrocities committed by the Belgians in Congo in the 1880s... Nor was there any TV network to witness the genocide perpetrated by the Spaniards in South America from 1500 onwards. Re: In occupied Palestine, the Jews now represent 5% of the total population. Much more than in Irak, I must admit. Too much, for sure. My guess is that the acceptable ratio for the Arabs is one to a million, like in Irak and Afghanistan, which means that the Jews definitely need a place of their own. And what of the Christians? Christians too are a fragile minority in the Arab world, yet Christians don't claim they need "a place of their own" in the Middle East! Just as atheists don't seek a place of their own either... BTW, the 250,000 Russian goyim who emigrated to Israel did have a place of their own, didn't they? So, why did they go to Israel? Re: OTOH, the Pied Noirs really felt that Algeria was Frenchland. Understandable, they did build a lot of it: all hospitals, post offices, airports, roads, electricity... And they got rich too, "en faisant suer le burnous" "on the Arab sweat" which isn't the case of the Israelis, is it ? The Pieds Noirs also wanted the Muslim natives to be granted full-fledged French citizenship... Land ownership was open to Muslims too --actually, it was a key tenet of France's Algerian politics to redistribute farmlands among Muslims. Of course, top posts in the Algerian administration were restricted to true-borne Frenchmen. However, there was an unwritten law that made it impossible for a Pied Noir to become Gouverneur Général --the top job in Algeria. The Gouverneur Général, later the Delegate-General, was always an outsider appointed by Paris... As for Israel as a self-relying economy, you sure must be joking... Granted, Israel doesn't entirely rely on Arab sweat to sustain itself --after all, the US tax-payer is a much more reliable, inexhaustible resource to tap, isn't he? Gus