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To: TimF who wrote (168354)	4/23/2003 3:37:35 PM
From: i-node	Respond to of 1576866

So is the theory that Bush is planning to eliminate our freedom and democracy. It is an even more extreme one then the other theories. I have not stretched things at all. The Foster claim got a lot of attention, and a few wackos have also made the claim about Ron Brown. There was another incident that got ZERO coverage involving an individual who was purportedly killed in a car accident in Little Rock. I can't remember any details, but there were unusual circumstances surrounding it and this individual was supposed to have been involved with the Clinton drug connection out of Mena, Arkansas. While the Mena story was disregarded by the media, there was significant hard evidence that Clinton did have some involvement. While the Foster & Brown stories seem unlikely, the Mena story does have some serious credibility.

To: TimF who wrote (168354)	4/23/2003 5:31:03 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576866

Hartmann's article is not based on a conspiracy theory. Instead, he is pointing out what he considers to be similarities between Hitler and Bush. If he believes our Democracy is in danger then he believes in a conspiracy theory. The tone of his article and even your stated opinion about it would both seem to indicate that Hartmann believes that Bush is moving against democracy in the US. Okay, then he believes there is a conspiracy afoot. Let me tell you, if you are black or gay in this country you have good reason to fear the current party in power and question their loyalties to the democratic processes. No, you don't. Really? When one leading senator and several lesser politicians suggest that we would have been better off under segregation and another senator thinks its okay to be gay but you shouldn't be permitted to do what gays do.......you think that makes blacks and gays all warm and fuzzy inside? In fact, if I were them, I would feel very threatened. In the past six months, some of the very top Reps. have made remarks that very easily can be construed as bigoted and suggest they do not see all people as equal. "Can easily be construed as bigoted", is not the same thing as "bigoted". And even if they where bigoted that is not the same as disloyal to the democratic process. Also its not only Republicans. If you don't believe in equal rights of all people in this country, then you don't believe in the democratic processes. Every attempt short of using the law has been made to silence critics of the president. In a democracy, criticism of the president is part of the job description. In the past year, we have seen several attempts [some successful] by this administration to curtail individual freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism. A reasonable argument can be made that in its attempt to protect us from terrorism the administration has gone a bit to far. I might support that argument myself. That isn't the same as saying the government has subverted democracy, let alone to imply that it is trying to set itself up as a dictatorship, or that the current administration is like that of Hitler. One element in and of itself may not be dangerous.....its when they are taken en toto, that there may be a problem. It can be argued that the administration has manipulated the fear caused by the 9/11 terrorist attack to its advantage. Lots of things can be argued. Do you support that argument? Yes, I do.....I've noted that the national alert status seems to go up at convenient times. When anti war rhetoric was at its peak, suddenly the status was elevated. A subtle reminder that danger lurks in the dark corners of our world. Every attempt was made to link Saddam to 9/11, solidifying any fears people had as to the danger he presented the US and removing any objections they might have invading Iraq. ted