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Politics : Bush-The Mastermind behind 9/11? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: ChrisJP who wrote (156)	4/23/2003 10:08:57 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Respond to of 20039

Chris, Re: In the case of Andrews AFB, the 2 jets normally on duty were doing a training run over North Carolina. And I thought some hell WAS raised for how long it took to get jets from Langley to respond in their place. Do you have a URL to verify your claim that "the 2 jets normally on duty" at Andrews were over North Carolina? That would be highly irregular. Most training is carried out over the Atlantic, where supersonic flight is permitted. Andrews pilots joy riding over the Smokeys sounds very much like the kind of lie that Hill & Knowlton or John Rendon & Assoc. loves to cook up in their disinformation campaigns on behalf of the Department of Death. What you say sounds plausible, but I simply don't trust anything I read any more without verification. *********** Are you aware that the Andrews AFB website was taken down shortly after the attacks on 9/11, and that when it was brought back up several days later that it had been modified to cover up the fact that there were two fighter squadrons stationed at Andrews? That is a huge red flag about a willful cover-up, as far as I'm concerned. "The Memory Hole" has a copy of the original, pre 9/11 website pages. This is a verifiable cover-up. ********* Re: I think the jets scrambled out of Otis AFB which is near South of Boston, near Cape Code -- 150 miles from NYC. Much closer than Andrews with less congestion. I did not intent for you to think that Andrews jets should be scrambled to intercept the New York traffic. Let me clear this up. The first WTC impact occurred at 8:45 AM, the second at 9:03. By that time, every news network in the country was covering the attacks, and there was speculation on the networks about additional jets that were hijacked. What you need to get your mind around is the fact that the Pentagon was not struck until 9:38 AM. That is 35 minutes after the second WTC attack. At 9:03 the whole world had clear evidence that the crashes were no accident. So the question I pose to you is why did the USAF not have F-15s or F-16s in a pattern above Washington, D.C. by no later than 9:20 AM? They clearly could have been scrambled out of Andrews (where I'm certain there were available aircraft available) and been over the White House within six minutes. Well before Flight 77 was even in Washington's air space. Instead, we apparently had a late call to Langley AFB, and the responding fighter intercepters flew at about 25% of their maximum speed to the Pentagon. This defies any "standard operating procedure" that I'm aware of. The holes in the "official" story of the NORAD/USAF response are like a Swiss cheese. And this incident smells more rotten than a Limburger. For you to say "that some HELL was raised" is very curious. After 3,000 innocent Americans were murdered, you'd think someone would be held accountable. But no. Not in America. Not one dismissal. Not one indictment. Only the curious case of David Frasca, an FBI supervisor, (among others) who suppressed investigations into al Qaeda during the summer of 2001, and was rewarded with a bonus and promotion. What's wrong with this picture?

To: ChrisJP who wrote (156)	4/23/2003 10:16:10 PM
From: space (Hijacked)	Respond to of 20039

In the early after of 9/11, Osama bin Laden was pointed as being the mastermind behind the tragedy. I find this a little suspicious and unbelievable that without any revendication, authorities almost immediately pointed the finger at OBL.

To: ChrisJP who wrote (156)	4/23/2003 10:54:46 PM
From: Don Earl	Respond to of 20039

<<<The link I posted shows that coordinated response to the hijackings was not stellar, but sadly, 5 minutes here and 5 minutes there add up. But the record also shows that things were happening every few minutes by the NORAD and the FAA trying to figure out what they were dealing with. Remember there was some "needle in the haystack" stuff going on with pandemonium occuring at the same time.>>> Chris, You can't make a case for the slow response time. This is something Air Force pilots train for to exhaustion. Less than stellar performance in practice drills would leave them with their butts chewed off. This was not a practice drill, this was the real thing and they knew it. Security at both airports where the planes left was controlled by an Israeli owned company. When you look at the big picture there are too many places where competence at all levels had to break down completely in order for the attacks to be so successful. FBI investigations were stopped short, requests for warrants were denied, critical information was mishandled, the US President doesn't react, the response times of everyone involved was too slow to be credible, no CEOs are present in the building the day of the strikes, an Israeli company moves their 200 employees out of the building 2 weeks before the attacks, another Israeli company gets email to make themselves scarce on the morning of the attacks, top officials cancel their travel plans for the morning of the attack, the Bush administration starts taking anthrax medicine the next day, anthrax from Ft. Detrick shows up a few weeks later, and the list of evidence goes on and on. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume a lot of the information being presented is new to you. I started the same way and promise you I did not reach the conclusions I've come to lightly. If you're the kind of person who can sleep well without knowing the truth, I would suggest you turn away from this topic while you still can. Otherwise, you need to do some research to understand what happened and I'm sorry to say the truth will not be an easy burden to bear.