To: i-node who wrote (558 ) 4/24/2003 12:51:27 AM From: pcstel Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 3386 The XMSR financing arrangement was handled perfectly, GIVEN that they got caught in a jam when the stock price was low. Ideally, they would have issued enough stock when the price was in the 10s to handle the financing, but they could not have forecasted the drop in the markets that made the financing such a problem Yeap!! And that's why they will take this "opportunity" to make sure they don't get caught in "a jam" again.. Better to do a secondary now while the price is "near the 10s" than to wait until the Cash on Hand drops, (as well as the equity price). Nonsense. I've dealt with GMAC and other large financing organizations for years. They're no idiots; every damned thing they do is properly collateralized, and if it isn't then they will demand (and receive) subordination. But they were not before the debt swap! So you are right.. They demanded subordination in the form of some notes. But, there was a sequence of events that caused them to re-evaluate their risk profile.. Surely, you know about "risk profiles"? The original agreement called for XM to pay GM annually. XM said, hey, we need to reserve the cash for operations and GM said, "that's fine, but you have to pay us interest and collateralize the debt". Nobody, NOBODY, who understands the basics of finance would find anything strange about this arrangement. It is done every day, I've arranged hundreds of such deals for my clients in the past, but for smaller amounts. Exactly my point, GM saw the "risk profile" of XM reach a point where they had to act to protect themselves. That is why they did the debt for A/P swap. That is my point.. It is how buisness is done.. When a companies 'risk profile' reaches a given point.. You have to start planning on how to minimize your exposure. For GM and the like.. They can demand subordination. For Common Shareholers... They are just along for the ride! PCSTEL