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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (96365)	4/25/2003 11:35:52 PM
From: epsteinbd	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Your example is a good pick: Iran did go into a "third country", an embassy, captured 53 innocent guys and held them for 444 days. And nothing happened to Iran! (Wasn't there some treaty on diplomats somewhere?) but something did happen in America: Your people voted for another guy. Not a grower. A cowboy. The Ayatollahs went shouting aya aya, got shit scared and, on they day he swore to protect your Constitution, they put their "spy prisoners on an outbound plane good bye. It is worth noticing that my Muslim friends are only scared of US cowboys. What I was refering to, is that as treaties could not taken into account a 9-11 scenario, they are not effective afterwards, thus they are void on that specific subject of detention, and even the Geneva convention is inoperative. Imagine that some Guantanamo prisoners tell your officers that one guy is the chief of the North American Bio Ops, know every sleeping cell from San Diego to Anchorage and that they heard that the first attack will start in the city coldest city because the germs just love the climate. What are your guys going to do, read him his Geneva rights over again ?

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (96365)	4/26/2003 3:22:03 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

It's always entertaining to read non-lawyers frothing at the mouth about Guantanamo. I have to admit, it's even more entertaining to read lawyers frothing at the mouth about Guantanamo. Reason being that terrorism is such a cute response to the inexorable fact that governments far outweigh terrorist movements - hence the nature of asymmetrical warfare. "We can do anything because you're bigger than us! We can blow up schools and birthday parties, we can destroy hospitals and restaurants, it's all ok!" "Maybe so, but the state is a leviathan, and can swallow you up, forever." "No fair!" (Muted sound of munching.) (Cut to activists posing as human rights advocates, running around, thumbing through law books.) "It says right here that you have to let enemy combatants go! These guys are enemies! And they are combatants! Therefore they are enemy combatants! You must let them go!" (Leviathan ceases munching for a moment, burps, and resumes munching.) (Leviathans, you see, only talk to other leviathans.)