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To: portage who wrote (32518)	4/27/2003 12:46:49 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Respond to of 74559

portage, Re: it seems they don't really care much when they have to change their story. It's pretty clear they think that might makes right, The neocons couldn't care less about world opinion. After all, they are holding a very big gun to the world's temple. Step out of line and get I-whaqed. What is so vile is that they don't really care a whit about the truth any longer. I watched a C-SPAN presentation of a CFR (Council of Foreign Relations) debate between Senator Bob Graham (D. Florida) and a representative of Syrian government. While the Syrian spokeswoman spoke in diplo, and was benign while being firm about her country's rights, Graham at times became unhinged in his denunciations of Syria's association with Hizbollah. He lied about them, characterizing them as international terrorists, when in fact they are a legitimate political party in Lebanon, and run a very well respected media company. Hizbollah is a patriotic organization that was founded to counter the illegal Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon. A fact that Graham refused to accept. The Syrian spokeswoman, and the Syrian ambassador to the UN, who was in the audience, clearly made the case that the greatest threat to Middle East peace, and the country which bristles with "weapons of mass destruction" is Israel. An undeniable fact. Yet Graham glossed over this fact and denied reality. It was very disheartening to think that someone so deceitful is a candidate for the Democratic party nomination for President. We have no honor among our political classes today, with the rarest of exceptions. *********** Re: I wonder how much they believed that their role as the 'great savior' would make the post war control there a cakewalk, The thieves who infest the Bush Mal-administration are not fools. They didn't think for a second that there is a 'cakewalk' from here on out. They have read history. They know that they must enforce a quisling government and impose draconian martial law that won't look much different to true democrats in Iraq than the regime of Saddam Hussein. Why do you suppose that one of the missions of the occupying forces was to gain control of the secret service apparatus and file system? The occupying forces will continue to suppress and round up the usual suspects. ********** Re: the likely outcome would be the invaders trying to figure out how to cancel the elections Elections? Not in our lifetime. The Algerian experience has taught the neocons an important lesson. That you can never count on the people in a democracy. The public isn't invited. We'll have an imposed 'interim' government, and like the democracy in Pakistan and the other 'Stans, we'll turn a blind eye to the fact that military dictatorships will be imposed for the sake of orderly resource extraction. *********** Re: Unless the US intends to get brutal with the citizens there, for which I doubt our public has the stomach You know the wonderful thing about "the Mighty Wurlitzer", the CIA/Office of Global Information apparatus for control of what gets distributed through U.S. corporate media channels, the public will never know the truth about what is happening in Iraq. And what they don't know, they won't protest. Look at how quickly the news cycle has changed. What are the headlines today? Iraq is moving rapidly to the inside pages of the newspapers and off the TV screens. *********** Re: Baptists....... Grrr..... don't get me started about Franklin Graham and 'Samaritan's Curse'...... <ng>