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To: Clappy who wrote (18191)4/28/2003 12:06:21 PM
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And I'm sure you know for a fact it was due to Coalition
bombing. And you know for a fact that it had nothing to do
with Saddam placing military assets & personnel in civilian
areas. And you know for a fact that Saddam didn't
intentionally or even unintentionally cause this casualty.

Yup, 2,000% of all civilian casualties were caused by
Coalition forces. Uh huh, at least 20x the number of
civilian casualties were the fault of Coalition forces. And
it was intentional. I wanted to make it as reasonable as
some of your predictions.

And Saddam was such a nice guy we should have left him in
power.

So much bullshit, so little time.



To: Clappy who wrote (18191)4/28/2003 12:24:02 PM
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I guess these Iraqi's aren't worthy of your concern.

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Kurds look back with fear

Many suffer the delayed effects of chemical attacks
news.bbc.co.uk

Genetic impact

Increasing incidence of birth defects in Halabja and elsewhere has convinced doctors that the chemicals may be having a lasting genetic impact on the Kurds.

Preliminary results from surveys have shown that in affected areas, many more babies are being born with deformities than in other places.

Omar's cancer is ravaging his face despite several operations
news.bbc.co.uk

Congenital problems

Treatments for the effects of the chemical attacks are not available in Kurdish Iraq
news.bbc.co.uk

"There is clear evidence of an increase in the number of certain cancers, congenital abnormalities, infertility and other problems." Dr Ferhad Suleivani, Dohuk University

National tragedy

"We found that there is definitely a much higher percentage of medical disorders in Halabja compared to Chamchamal," says Dr Fouad Baban, director of the Halabja Centre which took part in the surveys.

"For example, the rate of miscarriages is 14 times higher here than in Chamchamal, and cancer of the colon is 10 times higher."

"There is scientific evidence that chemical weapons effect the DNA, so it is natural that we should expect many of these disorders to be apparent in the generation to come," says Dr Baban.

<font size=5>The chemical attacks were part of a wider campaign against the Kurds ordered by Saddam Hussein and overseen by his cousin Ali Abd al-Mejid - who was dubbed "Chemical Ali" by the Kurds.

In all, around 4,000 Kurdish villages were systematically destroyed and scores of thousands of Kurds were killed, many of them liquidated in mass executions.

All this gives the Iraqi Kurds every reason to want to see the end of Saddam Hussein. <font size=3>

news.bbc.co.uk



To: Clappy who wrote (18191)4/28/2003 12:36:35 PM
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I guess these people were undeserving as well.

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To: Clappy who wrote (18191)4/28/2003 12:54:42 PM
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Horror Stories

Posted April 28, 2003

By Timothy W. Maier

The war footage of Iraq beamed via satellite to billions of TV viewers around the world showed homes with walls invariably decorated with pictures of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. If he was so hated, why so many pictures? There was little choice: Failure to hang such a picture or display a statue, or even to celebrate Saddam's April 28 birthday, guaranteed a one-way ticket to a torture chamber in which execution often was only a matter of time.

"We had a picture of Saddam to show loyalty," explains Bayanne Surdashi, 27, who was granted political asylum in the United States in 1996 along with some 6,400 Kurds who faced certain death under Hussein's ethnic-cleansing campaign. "We hung that picture to trick them because there was a saying in Iraq that if you put your foot down wrong, you're dead."

<font size=5>Death loomed everywhere in Iraq under the Ba'ath Party regime, which killed some 2 million people, both old and young. Its agents removed the mentally ill and the disabled from the care of their families and shot them dead. Saddam's Republican Guards raped women and children and tortured those suspected of being disloyal to Saddam.

Surdashi recalls from her youth that the stench of death was so overpowering in her neighborhood in Iraq that it prevented children from playing outside, as thousands of dead bodies were dumped in the streets and left to decompose.<font size=3> But for years even Iraqis living in the United States refused to talk about such atrocities. "I was afraid of coming forward to share my story with the public," explains Surdashi, who lives in Virginia. "I feared that the Iraqi secret police had agents everywhere in the world. Saddam was successful in instilling fear in all of us. His thirty-some years of torture and tyranny worked all too well."


The Iraqi exiles were not alone in remaining silent. Even the U.S. government refused to declassify Pentagon reports and evidence that was confirmed after the fall of Baghdad. In fact it was more than a decade after Gulf War I ended before the Pentagon declassified its top-secret file on Iraq under the title "Report on Iraqi War Crimes." <font size=5>The report revealed that U.S. soldiers had discovered at least two dozen Iraqi torture chambers in Kuwait City. Most were located in police stations or sports facilities. Not surprisingly, U.S. troops unearthed similar torture chambers in sports facilities and police stations throughout Iraq after the recent military operations.

The summary of the declassified 14-page report on war crimes committed by the Iraqis in Kuwait offers a taste of what Iraqi Ba'athists did wherever they held power. According to the report, "The gruesome evidence confirms torture by amputation of or injury to various body parts, to include limbs, eyes, tongues, ears, noses, lips and genitalia. Electric shock was applied to sensitive parts of the body (nose, mouth, genitalia); electric drills were used to penetrate the chest, legs or arms of victims. Victims were beaten until bones were broken, skulls were crushed and faces disfigured. Some victims were killed in acid baths. Women taken hostage were raped repeatedly. Eyewitnesses described the murder of Kuwaitis by Iraqi military personnel who forced family members to watch. Eyewitnesses reported Iraqis torturing a woman by making her eat her own flesh as it was cut from her body. Other eyewitness accounts describe Iraqi execution of Kuwaiti civilians by dismemberment and beatings while victims were suspended from ceilings and with implements such as axes."<font size=3>


For years, many Iraqis remained in the dark about what happened to lost relatives who were taken to the torture chambers and never returned. Others were kept wondering whether their loved ones were victims of Saddam's chemical warfare. They slowly are beginning to learn the truth with the identification of unmarked mass graves all across Iraq. The discovery brings some peace to Surdashi, who lost three uncles when the Iraqi regime used chemical weapons against the Kurds. Surdashi's mother, who remained in Iraq, finally may get a chance to bury the remains of her brothers. "My mother has been weeping for the last 12 years," the young woman says, wiping back tears. "She wants to find the graves to pay the respect they deserve. She just wants to see justice. Until she finds the graves, she is not going to rest. We don't know what happened to our loved ones. I lost 40 direct relatives and 150 indirect relatives."

Surdashi is like many Iraqis who have been taking up the challenge that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld issued when he urged Iraqis here and abroad to share their stories of the oppressive Ba'ath regime that modeled its political machine on that of the Nazis. Now that the regime has fallen, Iraqis have been talking painfully about the horrors to everyone who will listen.

<font size=5>Their stories are not new revelations. For years groups such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have compiled detailed, firsthand accounts of such abuse with photographs too graphic to print, including pictures of mutilated children tortured to death. But their reports tended to be ignored or reduced to a few inches in the back pages of metropolitan newspapers. Even when the evidence was overwhelming, reporters and editors looked the other way.

Certainly that was the case with CNN. The cable-news network that bills itself as the "most trustworthy" in the world has had to acknowledge that it deliberately withheld information that confirmed torture chambers. The reason? Network executives claim they were scared to tell the truth because they didn't want to endanger lives. Critics point out that CNN gave no warning even when it had advance notice of murders planned by the regime, strongly suggesting that it followed the Saddam line to retain access to Baghdad.

What a difference two weeks of war made. CNN and other media outlets now are starting to report the heartbreaking stories of Saddam's chambers of horror. Every new confirmation of systematic murder and torture begs the question of why the international community remained silent about all of this, doing its best to prevent the United States from acting earlier to stop it.

Even a cursory look inside the torture chambers of one of the police stations elicits horror.<font size=3>


When embedded U.S. reporters stumbled on one of these in An Nasiriya, the cameras finally rolled as two Iraqis who narrowly had escaped death there demonstrated for U.S. Marines how friends and members of their family were tortured. One illustrated by pretending to shock another with electrical current. The small police station was in a one-story building that also housed a wooden stockade, a primitive room with an electric chair and countless photos of burned bodies and tons of surveillance equipment. Capt. Pete McAleer, commander of Echo Company of the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit whose patrol discovered the room of horrors, told reporters,<font size=5> "It looks a bit too much like Nazi Germany to me." As one Iraqi described these terror chambers, "It was a place of evil."

That may be an understatement considering the torture methods that ranged from ripping out fingernails to taking a saw and cutting off a penis or breast, or playing dominoes on the backs of women who had been systematically raped [see sidebar below]. Their memories of torture and death make it hard for Iraqis to understand the war protesters in the West. "Why weren't they protesting when 350,000 Iraqis were chemically and biologically attacked?" asks Surdashi. "Where is the outrage? Why weren't they on the streets then? We know the price of freedom is going to be high, but two million of my people died under the Gestapo tactics of Saddam."<font size=3>


Consider the story of Uzair Jaff, who survived the chemical attack at Anfal in April 1988, narrowly escaping from a harrowing experience reminiscent of Nazi Germany. Jaff recently testified in broken English before the Congressional Human Rights Caucus on Capitol Hill. <font size=5>He recalled when Saddam's cousin, Gen. Ali Hassan al-Majid - better known as "Chemical Ali" - arrived in his village outside of Kirkuk demanding to know which villagers were Iraqi and which were Kurds. They were separated into groups, with infants being snatched from their mothers. A few days later, Saddam's guards rousted them in the early morning, calling as many as 300 names. Those including Jaff were driven toward the western border of Iraq, stopping at the police station to switch guards. The new guards carried shovels later used to dig ditches to bury prisoners they executed along the route. There was little water; guards forced the prisoners to drink their own urine. When the guards came to the truck in which Jaff was sitting they didn't even bother to force their victims to get out, but opened fire into the truck.<font size=3>

Jaff and one other villager survived the shooting by pretending to be dead as the guards dumped the bodies into the ditches. That night Jaff stripped off his clothes so he would not be recognized by Saddam's troops and walked approximately nine hours until he reached a refugee camp. Terrified that his family might face execution if it were known that he had cheated death, Jaff kept silent about his ordeal and never sent word that he survived.

<font size=5>Like the Nazis who committed similar atrocities, Saddam's regime meticulously recorded its crimes and tormented families of victims with reminders that it could happen to them. Everything appears to have been documented. The torture, the deaths and the methods of killing were kept in secret intelligence dossiers that now have fallen into the hands of the U.S. military. Some 18 tons of Iraqi secret-police and intelligence files consisting of 5 million pages were seized by Kurdish rebels and turned over to the United States. The documents "provide a thorough overview of how the Iraqi police state maintained its grip on power," says Joost Hiltermann, who supervised the initial review of such records for Human Rights Watch. "They did include some smoking-gun documents showing Iraqi-government culpability for a great number of atrocities."<font size=3>

The Iraqi regime claimed documents of this kind that were obtained by Kurdish rebels were forged but, considering the enormous volume and attention to detail, experts call it preposterous. <font size=5>The records found in these chambers of horror range from identification cards to photographs of victims including small, badly burned children. A single document dated August 1989 lists the names of 87 people who were executed and a summary of each case. The alleged crimes included trespassing into forbidden zones and teaching the Kurdish language. A record from March 1991 provides instructions from Baghdad Security Headquarters, declaring, "Shoot at demonstrators with the aim of killing 95 percent of them and saving the rest for interrogation." Another of the captured documents directs that a chemical-weapons unit be kept in reserve. Other orders called for executing wounded civilians and razing Kurdish neighborhoods with tanks, bulldozers and shovels.<font size=3>

Why did Iraqis not liberate themselves from so vicious a tyranny without U.S. help? "We tried," Surdashi says, noting they even attempted to use suicide bombers but could never get close enough to Saddam Hussein. "How could we liberate ourselves when Saddam had all the weapons?" <font size=5>Sobbing, she told of a member of the Republican Guards who "put a gun in the mouth of a baby - and shot the baby!"<font size=3>

Another Iraqi, Fatima Faraj, 57, bursts into tears as she describes how her nephews were seized at college by Saddam's agents and sent to prison. Why were they taken? "Because they were Kurds," says Faraj, who left Iraq in 1996 and now lives in Virginia. After nearly two years in captivity, the two nephews, Mahamood, 25, and Ahmad, 28, were killed on Jan. 1, 1988. The Republican Guards demanded that their father pay a fee to Saddam for the cost of executing his children. When he demanded a receipt, the guards balked and eventually turned over the remains.

<font size=5>The father brought the bodies of his sons home in boxes and instructed Faraj not to open them. She did anyway. "The entire bodies - other than their underwear - were places of burn," Faraj sobs. "There were two black spots on their necks. They looked as though they were whipped and kicked throughout their bodies." They could not have a proper funeral because the regime frequently poisoned the food or gassed Kurdish funerals. They couldn't take that chance.

The torture didn't end for Faraj. Another nephew, Muhammad, 34, finally was released from a torture chamber. "He was kicked so bad," she says tearfully. "They took out all his fingernails and toenails. His fingers and feet were all pink. He had a nervous breakdown."

The stories of other friends who were tortured spread throughout Iraq. "One person was so thirsty," Faraj says, "that they fed him his urine. Others had weird skin diseases; some were fed poison."

The unspeakable was commonplace, says Yasmine Baban, who now lives in the Washington metropolitan area. She says children would walk to school and see their neighbors hanging from nooses. "One engineer on our street was executed, one doctor in another home was arrested while his wife was pregnant, accused of being a member of the Free Masons. Another neighbor who was Jewish, her 18-year-old brother was arrested, and then she was asked to come and collect him from the prison many months later. When she went she found him dead, along with many other dead bodies in a room. She took him and had to have a quiet burial and no funeral because it was not permitted." No one could talk about it, she says. "There were new laws every other day, and people were afraid to speak or even to talk on the phone, afraid to express a thought that might get them in trouble or be contrary to what the Ba'ath Party believes in."<font size=3>


The terrible silence that had fallen over Iraq ended when Baghdad was liberated by coalition forces. "Living in Iraq was a chamber of tortures," says Raz Rasool, who currently lives in Virginia and was invited to the White House to speak with President George W. Bush about human-rights abuses. <font size=5>Her cousin was tortured in an Iraqi prison, and at age 12 she personally witnessed the cruel beating of children who refused to celebrate Saddam Hussein's birthday.<font size=3> They were taught to treat Saddam as a second father and to refer to him as "Papa Saddam." But some of the teens dared to express opposition.

"When we refused to join the rally for Saddam, a military officer gathered us in the school yard," Rasool recalled. "He grabbed a 17-year-old girl by her hair and began pulling it out. When she fell to the ground he began kicking her. He was beating her in front of us" as he ordered the children to celebrate, and then threatened them if they didn't. "I will hang you in the school yard. I don't want education, I want loyalists," he told them.

The officer wasn't bluffing. "They had shot three people in front of the school," Rasool recalls. "The abuse was daily. Either they would take you away with a reason or with no reason. <font size=5>They would kill children and then change the birth certificate so they could record their age as 18. Bodies were found burned, with black lines around the neck, showing they were killed while being tortured."

Eyewitnesses said Saddam's agents would take pictures of the dead and use the photos to intimidate others or torture family members. "I remember a picture of a naked woman on a table where the officers were playing a game of cards over her body," she says tearfully. "They sent the picture to the family to humiliate them."

How did Saddam get his officers to commit such acts? "They got promoted for it," Rasool says. "Saddam loved those pictures."<font size=3>


On April 4, Rasool shared her experiences with Bush, as did several others. "You felt the humanity and passion inside of him," she reports. "He said he was going to help us, to free us. I wanted him to know that we owe our gratitude to you, Mr. President. Our people have suffered under this genocide regime of Saddam. <font size=5>In 35 years, there had been not one demonstration [against these atrocities] among Arab countries and no one was willing to help the Iraqi people. President Bush said he would remove Saddam and he did. He is a hero."

Both Surdashi and Faraj also praise Bush for having the courage to help their country. The two women, who will become U.S. citizens in November along with 6,400 other Kurds who sought refuge here, say the president will get their votes come election time, too. "We want to thank President Bush for our people," Surdashi says. "He liberated Iraq!" proclaims Faraj. "He has saved countless generations."

Prior to the fall of Baghdad "we couldn't even cry in our homeland," Rasool says. "But now we have cried on the shoulder of a new friend. Not only are we saved, but a whole generation of my children and grandchildren will be saved, too. We have a saying: 'We have no friends but mountains.' But now we have a friend and it means a lot."

The saying comes from the fact that Iraq's Arab neighbors did not stand up against Hussein, Sursdashi says. "Our Arab neighbors did nothing, but sat back. We are grateful for what the United States did with allied support." When that statue came down, she continues, "I was so overwhelmed with feelings I was crying. The joy in the street was sincere. The Iraqi people knew nothing about democracy or freedom, but now they know what it is to become free - free of torture - and the fall of tyranny."

Breaking into tears, Rasool adds, "I feel like I am being reborn. When I saw that monument falling down. ... I'm sorry for crying but I never felt like a human being before. Today we are human beings."

<font size=10>Read the sidebar, "Gruesome Methods of Saddam's Madness."<font size=3>

Timothy W. Maier is a writer for Insight.
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To: Clappy who wrote (18191)4/28/2003 1:16:14 PM
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Bad Bush...........

Families discover Hussein's murder by numbers

By Scott Peterson | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

ABU GHRAIB, IRAQ – The tears now falling in the Abu Ghraib cemetery can't be counted. But the graves can be: 993 of them, victims of Saddam Hussein, marked only by yellow and black metal plates with crudely-painted numbers.
These were forgotten victims, most of them Shiite Muslims that their families say "prayed too much" or who opposed the regime, tucked behind a high wall a mile away from Iraq's notorious Abu Ghraib prison.


They were forgotten, that is, until the American war against Mr. Hussein unearthed state-sanctioned murder and linked the anonymous numbers with the names of those buried here.

Now families are digging up the remains for reburial, and finding for the first time the physical evidence of Hussein's regime. Among the field of markers, number 659 was just another pile of earth, until the al-Atabi family arrived to claim their father, Fadil Sadoun.

"Come back, come back to your family, to your children!" pleads Fadil's daughter, Rabab, at the center of a clutch of women clad in long jet-black gowns who slap their faces in grief. "He's an unimportant man, with children. Why did you kill him?" she wails at her ousted president.

The US fought this war for strategic reasons: to destroy any of Iraq's remaining weapons of mass destruction, to advance US security interests in a post-Sept. 11 world, even--at least in the minds of many Iraqis--to control Mideast oil.

But on the ground in Iraq, tha fall of Hussein is yielding an overwhelming human story of great loss. Families have become gravediggers, sifting through dirt with their fingers to recover every bone and scrap of cloth of Saddam Hussein's legacy.

While these scenes may bring closure to families, they are painful nonetheless. And the families are only now starting to flock to this site.

"Be quiet. Slowly, slowly, that's it," says Fadil Sadoun's cousin Hassan Sadran Hussein, as he directs men with tattooed hands and heavy-stoned silver Shiite rings on their fingers, as they feel through the dirt three feet down in the grave.

"Search well, don't leave anything," Hassan says, when more of the skeleton is revealed, and more dirt clawed away with a shovel. "Take your time."

Bones pile up on a graveside blanket, making the sound of dry wood clattering together when more bones are added.

Fadil Sadoun was first taken by security police in 1991, and held at Abu Ghraib prison for two years. When the overtly religious man was arrested again in 1996, he didn't come home. Instead, he was executed in 1997, given a number, and buried.

The loss seems unbearable for son Mustapha, who weeps uncontrollably a few feet away, his tears staining his pale blue shirt. Other family members try to comfort him, and finally have to carry him away, to the van that brought a wood coffin to collect the patricarch's remains.

"Oh my father, my father!" Mustapha chants with a broken voice. "You should be happy-Saddam is gone."

As dawn turns into a hot, blindingly bright and windy morning, more families arrive with scraps of paper scrawled with numbers, and with rudimentary coffins in tow. They walk purposefully along the rows of graves, scanning the markers as if searching for a familiar face in a crowd.

Beneath their feet are the morbid secrets that will define the toppled regime. Bureaucratic efficiency was masterful here. Numbers of graves are finally being matched to names of missing political prisoners by custodians of the cemeteries, who can finally speak out.

The executioners may be gone, but the cruel pain they inflicted endures.

"These are the victims of the crimes of Saddam Hussein," says Mohamed Hussein, who dropped upon grave number 288-of his brother, Ali Hussein-when he found it. He clenched the dirt in his fists, broke down, and leaned for support on a coffin that had clearly been used before.

"Tell the world," he says. "My brother prayed, and they took him from the street." Ali's coffin was carried to a truck, and placed alongside another coffin. That one held the remains of a pair of brothers of a neighboring family, found in a single grave.

While Iraq's modern history is being written today with freshly revealed documents, the opening of Hussein's torture chambers, and the testimonies of officially sanctioned killers, it is the buried treasure here that tells Iraq's true story.

"This was to keep Saddam on his throne. He would do anything," says Jassim Mohamed, whose 70-year-old uncle, in grave number 886, was killed with his militant Islamic son at their home south of Baghdad in October 2000. "Anyone who opposed him, he would kill them."


Among the staunchest of those opponents was Tariq Abu al-Hewa, a 27-year-old militant who lay 20 feet away, in grave number 834. He was arrested in 1999, executed in 2000, and operated with an Islamist group--even using a nom de guerre--that tried to kill senior members of the ruling Baath Party.

"The security agents took him from the street while he was selling perfume," says brother Khalid Rahim Hussein, as he used his car keys as a knife to tear strips of white cloth to wrap Tariq's bones.

"Saddam was a criminal, a dictator, and fascist," says Khalid. "I thank the Americans a lot-we praise them for ending Saddam, with God's help."

"If it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have found the corpse," adds cousin Riath Idramis.

The cemetery compound is part of a larger public one just a mile or so from the prison. And though Hussein ordered a mass release of prisoners last October, to reward Iraqis for giving their leader a perfect 100 percent reelection result, evidence emerged Friday of much more recent, wartime killing.

At the entrance to the prison is a portrait of Hussein that reads: "There is no life without the sun; there is no dignity without Saddam." That dignity was destroyed for 13 men accused of spying, when they were caught using handheld Thuraya satellite phones.

Still wearing prison-issue uniforms of white with blue stripes, their bodies were dug up from a mass grave just outside the prison by men with shovels, alerted to the spot by the smell. The bodies had their eyes strung with white or black cloth blindfolds, and their hands were tightly bound behind their backs. Some seem to have been executed, with bullet holes in their heads.


As accused spies, most were apparently held in the same cell block as Newsday journalists Matthew McAllester and Moises Saman, and freelance photographer Molly Bingham, an American, and Johan Rydeng Spanner, a Dane. Those non-Iraqis were also charged with spying, but released during the war after eight days.

Former prisoner Ihsan Hussein Mohamed on Friday estimated that the 13 men, the alleged spies, had been executed no later than April 8-the day before American forces arrived in the heart of Baghdad, and pulled down the statue of Hussein.

These men were, perhaps, the last official victims of the regime.

And Hussein's henchmen may have been waiting for the 13 bodies to arrive at the bleak, windswept cemetery about a mile away, possibly to put them into the 14 unmarked, empty graves that already had been dug there, beyond the last marker for grave number 993.

Abadi Jabbar found himself there at those empty holes Friday, as he searched for the remains of tribal cousins. Already he had found five. Still missing, according to the scrap of paper gripped in his right hand: numbers 867, 974, and 977.

When asked what this scene told him about Saddam Hussein, he replied: "You are the great witness. You have seen it with your own eyes."

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To: Clappy who wrote (18191)4/28/2003 1:24:51 PM
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Marsh Arabs Cling to Memories of a Culture Nearly Crushed

by Hussein
By MARC SANTORA

ADAMA, Iraq, April 27 — "It was paradise," said Hassan Naslob, 51. "When I was a child, life was good."

Born near where the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers merge, the once fertile oasis some believe to have been the biblical Garden of Eden, Mr. Naslob lived the boyhood of a marsh Arab.

"When we were children, there was no reading or writing," he said. "Just fishing and playing in the reeds and having fun."

For more than 5,000 years, the people here maintained an ancient lifestyle in one of the most lush environments on earth. They lived in homes of reed floating on shallow waters, traveling from village to village in small boats, fishing and growing rice amidst the water buffalo.

<font size=4>In little more than 10 years, Saddam Hussein managed to all but destroy that culture. Seeking to crush any opposition to his rule and to punish Shiite Muslims in southern Iraq for rising up against his government in 1991, he systematically set about exterminating the marsh Arabs: draining the wetlands, setting the reeds on fire and executing thousands of residents. Today, with Mr. Hussein's government toppled, the people of this part of Iraq are left only with memories and the fear that their way of life has been lost forever.<font size=3>

Mr. Naslob looked over the landscape of his childhood, piercing green eyes set deep in his head tearing, and was quiet for a long while.

"It is all gone," he said.

<font size=4>The once glorious wetlands are now a barren wasteland, a muddy brown mess of trenches and salty earth stretching off into a flat horizon. The marsh Arabs, who numbered about a half a million people in the 1950's, have dwindled to as few as 20,000 today, according to the United Nations.<font size=3>

During Mr. Hussein's rule, it was difficult for outsiders to confirm the damage shown by satellite images and described by refugees. Now, more than a month after war began here, it is a forbidding landscape where Iraqis warn against travel because of bandits and criminals. Just the other day, residents say, gunmen stopped a tomato truck, forced its occupants out onto the street and shot them in the back before taking the vegetables.

But as Mr. Naslob guided the way through his homeland, the devastation was evident. The water buffalo now wander dusty streets surrounded by long lifeless stretches. There are no birds in the sky, and what little water is on the ground sits puddled and stagnant.

<font size=4>With most of the marsh Arabs now dead or living elsewhere, Mr. Naslob's story offered a glimpse into a culture on the edge of extinction.<font size=3>

Born in 1952, he grew up one of seven children. His family lived in a traditional reed house in what used to be a thriving village.

"The older people would not talk about politics," he said. "But we would sit and listen to them talk about our history."

It was a rich history. He said his family continued to live much as their ancestors did millennia ago.

"My father told us that, before, we were very poor and he had only one shirt that he would wear whenever he was invited somewhere outside the village as a guest," he said. "But, even then, my father said how happy life was because nobody bothered us and we had everything we needed."

At dinner, he said, the family usually gathered for a meal of fish, yogurt, tea and rice bread made by pounding rice in a thick bowl set over a fire.

"I remember my first girlfriend," he said, smiling beneath a heavy mustache. He was about 15 and her name was Sariya. "I remember when we would go together in my boat and collect the reeds to feed the buffalo," he said.

But he was soon forced to leave the marshes.

In 1971 the Baath Party had just come to power in Iraq, and military service was compulsory. Mr. Naslob was stationed in the north, near the Turkish border. He did not return home until 1974.

"Life was pretty much normal," he said of the marshes when he returned. "We ignored politics and went back to fishing and working."

When war with Iran broke out in 1980, things began to change. People seeking refuge from Mr. Hussein and the army began using the marshes as a place to hide. Meanwhile, the Iraqi government worried that Iranian agents were using the the marshes as cover to sneak into Iraq.

Mr. Naslob was forced to join the army again in 1982 to fight the Iranians. In 1987, he was wounded in a shelling. Telling the story, he held up his right hand, showing a ring finger shorter than his pinkie. He also pointed to a large scar on his leg. <font size=4>While recovering in a hospital, he decided he had had enough of the army and fled back to the marshes. He went to Salih, a village near Amara.

He was greeted by a startling sight. The bodies of Iranians and Iraqis were clumped together, lifeless, but with no signs of bullet or bomb injuries. He had heard about chemical weapons the Iraqis had used in the war with Iran and says he believes that that was what killed the people.

Others here tell of witnessing chemical attacks during the war with Iran.

Abdul Amir Humod, a soldier in the Iraqi Army at the time, said when Iranian soldiers reached the highway that runs from Basra to Amara, he saw Iraqi planes flying low and spraying the area. Later, he saw the bodies of the dead.

"If they did not use chemicals, they would never have stopped the Iranians," he said.

There have been claims that Mr. Hussein directed chemical attacks on the marsh Arabs themselves, but those charges could not be independently verified. Still, the chemicals took their toll on the people here, both physically and psychologically, Mr. Naslob said.<font size=3>


By the end of the war with Iran and before the 1991 Persian Gulf war, some people here decided it was time to fight the Hussein government.

In the late 1980's one man emerged as a sort of Robin Hood of the marshes.

"Karim Mahood was our hero," Mr. Naslob said.

Like other people in the area, he told stories of Mr. Mahood's daring. "He would sneak into army places wearing a uniform and stars on his shoulder and then shoot and kill the soldiers there," Mr. Naslob recalled.

Mr. Mahood's forces would stop and rob government cars on the highway and then show up in a local village and use the money to buy food for everyone, he said.

One oft-told story has Mr. Mahood showing up at the main jail in Basra with a fleet of government cars, convincing the guards that he was from Baghdad, and then making off with dozens of political prisoners before the jailers realized they had been tricked.

People here say that Mr. Mahood continued to fight until 1997, when he fled to Saudi Arabia and then to the United States. He recently returned and is working with the Free Iraqi Forces associated with Ahmad Chalabi.

After the 1991 gulf war and the uprisings by the Shiites in the south of Iraq, the marshes became both a base for rebel attacks and a haven for refugees. <font size=4>Mr. Hussein then began what residents describe as a systematic attempt to exterminate the marsh Arabs.

"First he would send the militia and helicopters to try and capture people, shooting anyone who did not cooperate," Mr. Naslob said. "After 1991 he started to drain the marshes."

Mr. Naslob said Mr. Hussein built dams on the rivers that branch off the Tigris and Euphrates and feed the marshes. In 1993, the government completed digging a channel that drained what water remained. Once an area was dry, the army set fire to the reeds, Mr. Naslob said.

The marshes in Iraq used to cover nearly 8,000 square miles between Nasiriya in the west, Kut in the north and Basra in the south. About 90 percent of the marshland has been destroyed, according to the United Nations Environmental Program. The effect on the wildlife has been as costly as that on the people. Eleven bird species and three mammal species are believed to have been lost forever, according to the United Nations.

"The people who were not killed or did not make it to Iran had to move to the bigger towns because there were no longer any marshes," Mr. Naslob said.<font size=3>


His family moved to Amara.

Even then, the marsh Arabs were not safe, he said.

<font size=4>"Some of Saddam's security forces came to my home in 1998 and said they just wanted to question me," he said. That questioning turned into six months of torture in the security headquarters of Amara. "Someone had written me up and said that I had gone to Iran and come back," he said. "They beat me and hung me from the ceiling with my hands behind my back trying to get me to confess."

Although he never confessed to anything, a judge sentenced him to 20 years in jail and he was sent to Abu Ghraib Prison outside Baghdad, where he spent the last couple of years until Mr. Hussein released all the prisoners in Iraq in October.

Now that Mr. Hussein in gone, Mr. Naslob is hopeful that the marshes of his youth will be reclaimed. Slowly, some water is starting to be released from dams in the north and trickle into the marshes. But, looking at the empty space where his village used to be, he said it would be difficult.

"Not many of us remain," he said. "What you see was once green and beautiful and now is like a dream that has vanished."<font size=3>


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