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To: Jamey who wrote (35123)	4/29/2003 3:18:10 PM
From: Greg or e	Respond to of 39621

"Seems they are of a mind that the Millennium lasted 40 years based on 1 Cor. 15:24-28." ROLF! 24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

To: Jamey who wrote (35123)	4/29/2003 8:39:07 PM
From: Berry Picker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

They have a very strong case exegetically. The only obstacle is the 'word' millenium. That word, by the very nature of it, intimates a long period of time - or a Perfect period of time. The mind set of the flesh is first to be literal. How often have people said " Oh sorry that one went right over my head"? Often, when someone says that, the other person was not paying attention ot body language, a slight grin, or other indications that they were about to say something with a double meaning or a highly figurative meaning. It is easy to see that scripture often uses the term "1000" as a figurative term for an unnumbered but perfect amount. Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; 1000 generations is 40,000 years - How long will the earth last? Let's get literal, literal - let's get physical , physical opps... Deuteronomy 32:30 How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up? Do the math - how can 1 put 1000 to flight while 2 put 10,000 to flight - definitely figurative. Judges 15:15 And he found a new jawbone of an ass, and put forth his hand, and took it, and slew a thousand men therewith. Did Samson slay exactly 1000 men? Not 999 or 1001? Who counted the bodies? 1 Kings 4:32 And he spake three thousand proverbs: and his songs were a thousand and five. Because this verse says 1000 proverbs and yet 1005 songs ( none of which were used in worship by the way) I would accept the 1000 proverbs as likely being literal ( but I would not push it) 1 Chronicles 16:15 Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations; God's moral law - relevant for only 1000 generations? Let's get literal - Christ cannot come back until at least 40,000 years after this promise :-) 1 Chronicles 18:4 And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven thousand horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: David also houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them an hundred chariots. Are these exact figures? I do not want to spend time arguing - fine! Who cares? 2 Chronicles 17:11 Also some of the Philistines brought Jehoshaphat presents, and tribute silver; and the Arabians brought him flocks, seven thousand and seven hundred rams, and seven thousand and seven hundred he goats. Was someone counting - exactly? Ezra 1:10 Thirty basons of gold, silver basons of a second sort four hundred and ten, and other vessels a thousand. Exactly 1000? OK - I am fine with that! Job 9:3 If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand. No comment Psalms 50:10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. According to this the cattle on hill 1001 do not belong to god.... You, I trust, get the point so enough... Exegetically, I think that the Preterist who support the idea of the millenium being ony 40 years are right! Why - Why - Why would I cave to such nonsense? Because it fits the rest of scripture most perfectly and the other system suck!@ First - It is said of the 1000's of years ( and here I must insist that a literal interpretation is IMPOSSIBLE because "it is written" 1000's of years in the Plural It cannot be literal ever!!! None can ascribe an actual amount of time - unlike the prophecies of Daniel. 490 years is nothing other! Mohamed is nothing - out of date!!! BTW - I have seen nothing more wicked on this thread that Greg. I am sorry he tries to use your alcohol experience to discredit you... Indeed a wicked and desperate despondent bastard! We rejoice in truth - and for that I love you dude. I wash your feet publicly - but I have no tears - only years of battle scars to offer. What a game we play - sheeshhh.. So at the risk of being monotonous... You can only do 3 things with Revelations.. 1. Decide that all of the time statements contained throughout the book of Revelation are but figurative because the term “chilioi”(a term which is described by Strong as “plural of uncertain affinity”) must means a long period of time thereby negating the plain meaning of all of the other various terms used to describe a short time. So that this one chapter makes all the other verses that state it would be short to yet mean a long time. 2. Decide that indeed almost all of the prophecies would occur “quickly” and “shortly” but that this binding of satan is a “parenthesis” statement and an exception to the general rule. This is what “partial preterist” have felt comfortable doing. They are comfortable concluding that Rev 20 is a lapse from the general principles of the book. 3. Conclude that this word, which Greek scholars admit cannot be taken in a fully literal sense, is in fact a highly figurative insertion and allow the obvious time constraints of the other verses that teach the conditions that were being addressed, namely the binding and loosing of satan. These other instances were all in fact recorded as happening before the fall of Jerusalem within the writings of the New Testament itself. In other words – everything else in the book says it is short so believe indeed that it is short regardless of the seemly natural meaning of the word translated "thousand of years". James, allow me to comfort you in this - It does not matter to me what you do with these verses !!! I think the case is strong to make 1000s of years mean only 40 - a generation! Why? Because all of the conditions contained within the 1000 years are recorded as having happened within the rest of scripture. The binding - Matthew 12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man‘s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. The loosing - Matthew 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation. It makes no sense to attempt to fit God's word into an indefinite scheme that was never addressed within scripture! Nothing is to be received except by 2 or 3 witnesses - did God make statements that were not confirmed as determinable by any other source than the WORLD No! I trow not!