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To: Lane3 who wrote (6050)	4/29/2003 4:56:01 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7720

"I think it's all for the better--better for both men and women that we've abandoned the model of the fifties. The model of the fifties is dead...dead, dead and gone. To use it as a vehicle to justify or measure current role models is strawman reationaryism and well, unhealthy. Unfortunately, that is the only fall back that feminism has to justify itself. Strong, effective, successful, and God forbid powerful men, especially if they are white, in modern culture are treated with abhorence by feminism. Feminism is trotting on a rotted track with no competing contestants and no fans left betting on them to show, place, win, or even look good at the finish. So can we move this past what you don't like about a fifty year old dead issue?

To: Lane3 who wrote (6050)	4/29/2003 5:00:31 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7720

As long as men and women differ, and care about the difference, there will be interest in defining their unique strengths. Since I do not agree with the premise that men are much different now, I am not sure what to say to either of you. Some changes are beneficial, some are not, but most people still exhibit strong sex- role bias. Even in college, many more women get degrees in sociology or the social sciences than in engineering or hard science; men are still much more likely to go into professions like firefighting, policing, or the military; and women are much more likely to go into family law than men. Women are over- represented in fields like human resources, marketing, fundraising, and public relations, and under- represented in fields like finance, research, industrial management,and politics.