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Pastimes : SARS - what next? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Ilaine who wrote (348)4/30/2003 7:50:28 AM
From: Ilaine  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1070
 
>>Seeking clues in AIDS patients

By Laurie Garrett
Staff Correspondent

April 29, 2003, 6:42 PM EDT

Beijing -- A small but potentially intriguing clue has emerged in the SARS fight, even as China's epidemic continues to spiral.

From the Beijing perspective, the epidemic couldn't look worse. The city added 152 cases Tuesday. More residential complexes were placed under quarantine, bringing the total of sequestered residents to more than 8,000. Throughout the rest of the nation, frightened citizens erected barricades and screening centers to bar travel by people from Beijing.

Amid the mounting toll, Newsday learned that a select population in Guangzhou, the southern Chinese city where the epidemic apparently began in November, appears to have resisted infection. At the peak of the outbreak there, in January and February, patients with the then-mystery illness were kept on the second floor of one hospital. The floor was already in use as an AIDS ward.

Guangzhou authorities divided the floor of People's Hospital No. 8 in half, putting SARS patients on one side of the elevator bank, and AIDS patients on the other. Health care workers walked back and forth between the two sides of the floor, and some of those doctors and nurses contracted SARS.

Yet not one of the several dozen AIDS patients or their visitors, some of whom were also HIV positive, developed the disease.

"I am wondering why there was no SARS virus co-infection in the AIDS cases,” Dr. Zhang Fujie, director of AIDS treatment and care for China, said Tuesday in an interview. "We are exchanging information with Hong Kong on this. We will continue to try to understand that.”

Dr. Cheng Feng of the China/UK HIV/AIDS Project said he, too, was aware of the phenomenon. He wondered whether the drugs the AIDS patients were receiving for HIV control might be blocking a SARS infection. A similar notion was mentioned by Dr. Yuen Kowk-yung of the University of Hong Kong. With New York's Dr. David Ho, of the Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Laboratory, Yuen is exploring the AIDS apothecary for an effective SARS treatment.

But the puzzle may be deeper. That's because the most effective anti-HIV drugs -- a class called protease inhibitors -- are not available to Guangzhou patients, according to an HIV outpatient and activist who asked to be identified only as Thomas. Few Chinese patients have access to any but the cheapest, least effective of the anti-HIV drugs, Thomas said, which target a chemical that is not even present on the coronavirus that's been identified as causing SARS.

"I went in there to visit HIV patients, my friends,” Thomas said. "We were all asked to wear masks, special clothes and latex gloves. But the HIV patients on the ward said they didn't like to wear masks, and they refused. But they all looked healthy.”

SARS so far has presented scientists with a number of perplexing aspects. Some scientists speculate that the virus doesn't actually kill human cells -- that the immune system's overreaction actually precipitates the destruction of cells of the lung and other parts of the body, precipitating the acute pneumonia that is the disease' hallmark. In theory, they say, death may be the result of an aberrant or overly sensitive immune response. If that is proved correct, it's possible that HIV patients may actually be at lower risk for SARS precisely because they lack strong immune responses.

This is only speculation, of course, but the notion is garnering interest among physicians here. An added bit of evidence supports the theory: The most effective SARS treatment so far is steroids -- agents that stifle the immune response.

Otherwise, there was little cause for optimism in China Tuesday. Beijing's toll is swiftly approaching, in just three weeks, the cumulative total seen in Guangdong, the province that includes Guangzhou, over a six-month period: Beijing now has 1,347 reported cases; Guangdong has seen 1,399. Nationwide, the total reached 3,303.

The atmosphere here Tuesday was eerie, as streets in many districts were nearly empty, most small businesses and restaurants were closed and apartment complexes throughout the city were under quarantine. In the Cao Jun Miao neighborhood, a squadron of police cordoned off entry to a residential complex, declining to confirm whether SARS cases were inside. Quarantine notices were posted, and people decked out in masks, gowns and gloves stacked boxes of food just outside the entry of the building, expecting residents to claim the goods.

At Beijing's main train station, a modest crowd of travelers intent on leaving he city was willing to endure such actions in distant provinces.

"We are leaving Beijing because I am scared of SARS,” a nine-month pregnant woman who gave her name only as Mrs. Wang said as she looked after her family's luggage outside the station.

"We go home to Anhui province because my wife is nervous, and she is pregnant,” Her husband said. "We know when we get there we will be quarantined for twelve days.”

Young Liu Chao, his punk haircut in dyed stripes, slumped on a train station bench. He was on his way to distant Dalian, mainly because his parents were worried about his safety amid an epidemic, but admitted, "I'm a little worried I might be quarantined when I get there.”

The World Health Organization's Beijing office expressed concern Tuesday about the SARS situation in China's poor provinces. The tolls in those areas rose, with Shanxi reporting 266 cases and Inner Mongolia, 120.

The WHO praised Asia's leaders Tuesday, however, for reaching agreements in an emergency meeting in Kuala Lumpur on SARS-related travel restrictions. <<
newsday.com

Funny, I read this AFTER posting that maybe boosting the immune system wasn't a good idea. I quit taking my methotrexate because I wanted not to be immune-suppressed -- now what?



To: Ilaine who wrote (348)4/30/2003 5:46:16 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Respond to of 1070
 
CB, I'm a cynic in regard to both Chinese and other traditional medicines and western medicine. Western medicine tends to the prescriptive ambulance at the bottom of the hill method. I won't bore you with the details, but the essential problem of 'western' and 'eastern' medical ideas and all of us is ignorance.

My parents watched a thyroid operation in China in the 1970s done with acupuncture. I have some photos my father took of it. I'm cynical about such claims too and as with Uri Geller's spoon bending, I'd like to check for little tricks like an epidural drip into the spine, or maybe a bit of opium and other stuff.

But it's obvious that harassing nerves can stop pain because people can have arms cut off, knives in the back, large, deep burns on their arms and generally be mutilated without feeling pain. For a while anyway! Our brains have endorphins or something which shut down pain zones, presumably so we can in extremus keep functioning to resolve the problem, which might be a wolf eating our arm or something needing urgent attention.

It's the little things which hurt, such as a hammer on a thumb! Our bodies must find it necessary to get our attention for what might otherwise be ignored as a minor issue. Therefore it takes major nerve messages to shut down the pain zone in our brains.

That process could be duplicated by acupuncture I suppose, if one knew how to harass sufficient nerves in the right way. After a lot of time sticking needles in people, I guess talented exponents can do it for a lot of purposes.

I'd prefer that to the suffocating, brain-damaging ether, or chloroform with which I was poisoned by doctors in the 1950s to remove my tonsils, which probably just needed a better diet, rich in vitamin C, E, zinc, selenium and other probably missing aspects of my diet. Maybe no wool and house mites would have been good too [to avoid allergy inflammation which gives easy access to bugs].

Opium presumably uses the same brain-deadening mechanisms that our natural endorphins do. So, with a bit of acupuncture, an epidural anaesthetic and some blood opium I dare say one could be wide awake with open heart surgery. A bit of traditional curare might be a good idea too.

The doctors should make greater efforts to avoid getting bubbles in the brain too!! I'm amazed that it's difficult to separate bubbles from a liquid. They should consult some chemical engineers. Bubbles float for a start, so that's a good start for a way to remove them.

The best strategy is to avoid both western and eastern doctors. They used to bleed people with leeches. Talk about wacko. The list of mad treatments is horrific.

Mqurice