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To: stockman_scott who wrote (18393)4/30/2003 3:10:23 PM
From: T L Comiskey  Respond to of 89467
 
'Secretary of State Colin L. Powell claimed that a "poison and explosive training center camp" existed in northeastern Iraq. A few days later, journalists visited the site and found "a dilapidated collection of concrete outbuildings" and no evidence for Powell's claims.'

Lest we forget..Powell studied at the feet of...and carried the books for ...Caspar Weinberger
who...
were it not for Poppy Bush......
would have had to play golf and drink his fine French wines at some Club Fed...ie..Prison
for Lying under oath To Congress
T



To: stockman_scott who wrote (18393)4/30/2003 3:11:43 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
From: Thomas A Watson

I love how simple minded the vacant liberal minded lefty loons are. As it always is with the truly stupid, leading them on is the most effective way to expose how idiotic they are.

We have idiot's and even leading dem idiot's who cannot hold themselves back from speaking out stupidity. With the incessant where are the WMD's fools now raising more and more noise, revealing where the real WMD's are should be delayed as long as possible.

Colin Powel stated that WMD will be found. Only an idiot would doubt the man. And for all the fools who rant about lies and conspiracy. Not finding WMD is in fact clear proof of the honesty of the PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH administration. If there was a conspiracy to create the war based upon fabricated evidence, then fabricating WMD evidence and placing it in Iraq would also be very simple.

So the only question is have WMD's already been found or not? In any case if the conspiracy wackos are right, then they will be made to look idiots again. And if honest finding of WMD or plants are found, the more noise they make the more stupid they appear.

If no smoking gun, whatever that means is found, no-one will care, as clearly all the conspiracy retards have been proven wrong as no fakes means no conspiracy.

But really no rational American's will care because they understand that a vile evil has been destroyed.

The evidence surfacing connecting Iraq with terrorist will show that that argument was valid. And it may be the a clear smoking gun connecting connecting support of the 9-11 attack make appear.

And the clear betrayal of America by France, Russia and Germany the is in all the papers being found will also fuel anger at that scum leadership and support for PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH.

The lefty loons who are stupid or liar's seeking power will attempt to dwell on whatever nat and attempt to with voodoo spin try to hide the mountains of rot and betrayal that they were part of or useful idiot's of.

That is the lot of scum and filibuster. Hide the truth and mislead.

siliconinvestor.com



To: stockman_scott who wrote (18393)4/30/2003 3:38:01 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
<edited>.....

Al-Qaida terror training book found in Iraq

The manual was reportedly used by Ansar al-Islam, a local
armed party in the Kurdish territory.

The 2-inch-thick manual on killing, discovered in an
abandoned bomb laboratory here early this month, offers
instruction in al Qaeda's array of lethal demolition
skills.

This copy, though, was found in the Kurdish enclave in
northern Iraq. It was recovered by Kurdish security
officials in a training center operated by Ansar al-Islam,
a local armed party.

Interviews with prisoners and translations of internal
documents and computer disks show that Ansar possessed
manuals from al Qaeda in printed and digital form, ran two
training bases with curriculums strikingly similar to those
taught in Afghan camps, and managed its affairs much as al
Qaeda did.

The group also had poison recipes much like those found
in al Qaeda buildings in Afghanistan after the Taliban
fell.


Moreover, al Qaeda seeded Ansar with experienced fighters
who helped organize the group's training, administration
and ambitions, U.S. and Kurdish officials say.

U.S. and Kurdish officials say the group received
support from al Qaeda and coordinated activities through
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian identified by the United
States as a lieutenant of Osama bin Laden. They also said
the group ran a factory that made the poison ricin and a
topical cyanide poison and maintained ties with Hussein.

U.S. officials say an intelligence team has collected
cyanide-based compounds from a former Ansar base and is
awaiting test results to see if the group managed to
concoct a larger selection of poisons.

Textbooks and bomb or poison recipes in Ansar custody were
identical to those contained in al Qaeda's records from
Afghanistan, including the bomb manual for the Jihad
Encyclopedia and computer files on Western intelligence
collection and ways to evade it. Other documents were
strikingly similar in tone or content to al Qaeda papers
found in Afghanistan, like military training materials.


sfgate.com

www2.ocregister.com



To: stockman_scott who wrote (18393)4/30/2003 5:07:45 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 89467
 
"Propagandists know that perception counts for more than truth."

And that fit's you to a 'T' Scott. Just like Bush's so called failed diplomacy with the UN.......

France is Not a Western Country Anymore

By Guy Milliere
FrontPageMagazine.com | March 31, 2003

French-bashing is everywhere in the American media. I am French, and I must say if Americans knew completely what's happening in France, the French-bashing would be far harsher.

Jacques Chirac has been a friend of Saddam Hussein for more than thirty years. He allowed the sale of nuclear facilities to Iraq that were destroyed just in time by Israël. He sold Iraq the planes that were been used to gas thousands of Kurds. And Saddam is not the only friend Chirac has. Chirac has never met a ruthless dictator he did not like.
Worse, Chirac is unprincipled and greedy. It is common knowledge in France that he stole a lot of money when he was the mayor of Paris, and everyone knows that if he had not been re-elected in May 2002, he would be in jail now. To hear him speaking about morality or international law nauseates every decent Frenchman.

And Chirac is not the only politician of this stripe in France. These days, it is becoming hard to find a French politician ready to speak about human rights, freedom or democracy. All of them seem to have the same speechwriter or to belong to the same totalitarian political party; all of them are anti-American, anti-Israeli and "pacifists." They regard Western civilization as something filthy and abhorrent.

If you read the newspapers, it's the same. At times it seems the only difference between the Soviet Union twenty years ago and France today is that in Soviet Union you had only one Pravda, and in France you now have at least ten such propaganda outlets: Different titles, same content.
Their party line is clear in reporting on the personalities found in the present Middle Eastern crisis. Saddam Hussein, the "President of Iraq"? Well, maybe he has been brutal, but you know, in "those" countries...; George W. Bush? He's a "moron" - a former alcoholic, who has become a crazy fanatic, in fact the most dangerous man on the face of earth.; Ariel Sharon? A fascist who loves to kill Arabs.; Arafat? A great freedom fighter.; When an American general speaks, it is merely propaganda, but when Tariq Aziz pontificates, it is pure truth.; Almost everyday you hear anti-Semitic remarks, to boot.

The anti-Semitism has created a threat to the physical safety for French Jews. Almost every week, some Jews get mugged, simply for being Jews. Almost nobody pays attention to it. When an anti-Semitic act is so disgusting it is impossible to hide it, journalists will speak of "confrontation between communities." When confronted with the reality that these "confrontations" are always Muslims attacking Jews, the editorial response: "Just because there has yet to be a single documented case of a Jew attacking a Muslim yet doesn't mean it will never happen. . . ."

And Jews are not the only victims of France's new identification with radical Islam. In many French cities with a growing radical Islamist population, no teenage girl can go out in the evening, at least not without a full burqa. If she does, it will mean that "she is for everybody": in short, a whore. In the same cities, every teenage girl - regardless of religion - has to wear the Muslim veil if she does not want to be harassed or killed. Almost every month, a young woman is mugged and raped in a suburb of a big city. Gang rape has become so frequent that a new word, used by the rapists themselves to define their hideous actions, is used by everybody: tournantes (revolving). To the rapists, the woman is nothing, a mere object to be thrown away after use. The people who speak about "revolving" seem to forget a human being is involved as the victim. Policemen do nothing. Every decent person knows the problem is Islam, but no one dares to say it. It could be dangerous. The streets are not safe.

One year ago, a French Muslim decided to create a new business: he was tired of seeing people drinking Coca-Cola - all this money going to Americans! He found a factory and started to produce Mecca Cola. On the label, he put a picture of the Al Aqsa mosque, with a large part of his profits would help to support the Palestinian cause. In some suburbs of Paris, Coca-Cola has disappeared; Mecca Cola has replaced it. A few days ago, another Muslim businessman announced he will start to sell Muslim-Up. It will have the taste of Sprite or Seven-Up, but it will be a Muslim drink - and naturally the profits will go to the Palestinian jihad, as well.

Three radio stations in France are Muslim radio stations, and if you listen to them, dedicated to broadcasting the voice of hate and racism all day long. One radio station belongs to a friend of the rightist Jean-Marie Le Pen, and curiously, if you listen to it, you will hear the same voice of hate and racism. Rightists and radical Muslims have discovered they have many things in common.


If you want to understand why all this is happening, you have to understand one thing: thirty years ago, French governments started to have a new foreign policy. They called this new policy, "Arabian Policy." France became closer to Arab countries - all of them disgusting dictatorships. France "benefited" by doing business easily in these countries. In exchange, France had to push Europe to unknot its ties with Israël and the United States. In exchange too, "professors" came from the Arabian dictatorships to teach the Arabic language to the young Arabs living in France. The only book they used to teach the Arabic language was THE book, Al Kuran.

Now comes the time to pay the check: six million Muslims live in France, at least ten per cent of them are radical Islamists poised on the edge of violence. And these radical Muslims have allies on both the extreme Left and the extreme Right. France is not a Western country anymore, it is now the leader of the Arab/Muslim world. Israel has to know France is its main enemy. The United States has to understand they have nothing to expect from today's France except nastiness, treason, and cheating.



To: stockman_scott who wrote (18393)4/30/2003 5:11:01 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 89467
 
"To whip up fear about Iraq, U.S. officials lied and distorted the truth for months:"

From: Neocon

First, the circumstantial evidence favors the
administration. Why were there innumerable chemical suits
and antidotes stockpiled for Iraqi troops? Why have we
found manuals on chemical warfare, and caches of precursory
materials?

Second, Iraqi scientists have already said that in the
final weeks before the war, Saddam made a major effort to
dump caches, send material to Syria, or hide them in the
desert.

Third, it is a little early to say, if they are well-
hidden, whether we will find them.

Fourth, no one said that Iraq was an imminent danger in
itself, the fear was always that Saddam would coordinate
with terrorists to make them more lethal. We have, in fact,
begun the process of verifying contact with Al- Qaida, and
already knew about other associations.

Fifth, the issue had to be resolved. The way that the
regime diverted oil money was killing hundreds of thousands
of children, through neglect. We could not continue with
sanctions indefinitely.

Message 18899925



To: stockman_scott who wrote (18393)4/30/2003 5:35:49 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 89467
 
Mideast Peace Plan Distributed Hours After Homicide Bombing

Wednesday, April 30, 2003

JERUSALEM — International mediators presented Israeli and Palestinian leaders Wednesday with a new Middle East "road map," an ambitious blueprint for ending 31 months of violence and establishing a Palestinian state.

The U.S.-backed plan is supported by a unique consensus of world leaders and comes at a time when U.S. clout is at a high point in the wake of Saddam Hussein's ouster in Iraq.

It also coincides with the advent of a new Palestinian leader, Mahmoud Abbas (search), who was inaugurated as prime minister on Wednesday. He has denounced terrorism and vowed to end attacks on Israelis, but the dimensions of the problem were illustrated by the fact that a suicide attacker who killed three bystanders was linked to a group within Abbas' own Fatah party.

The plan, whose details have been known for months, was presented to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (search) by U.S. Ambassador Daniel Kurtzer in Jerusalem. Shortly thereafter, Abbas received it in the West Bank town of Ramallah from representatives of the four parties that drew up the plan: the United States, Russia, the European Union and the United Nations.

"For the first time in a very long time, Israel and the international community have a partner to go back to the table with," U.N. envoy Terje Roed-Larsen told The Associated Press. "We have, hopefully, a peace process going."

The three-year outline calls, in the first crucial phase, for a Palestinian crackdown on terror groups and an Israeli freeze on Jewish settlements, combined with a "progressive" Israeli pullout from the autonomous Palestinian zones its troops reoccupied during the current round of fighting.

A second phase, which could begin as early as the end of the year, would see the creation of a Palestinian state with provisional borders. Tough issues are left for the last phase, such as final borders, the conflicting claims to Jerusalem and the fate of millions of Palestinian refugees and their descendants who claim the right to return to what is now Israel.

"The road map represents a starting point toward achieving the vision of two states -- a secure state of Israel and a viable, peaceful, democratic Palestine," President Bush said in a statement.

His spokesman, Ari Fleischer, said Abbas will be invited to the White House to meet with Bush. No date was given. Secretary of State Colin Powell will travel to the region in May and will meet Sharon and Abbas.

Both sides say they want to end violence that since September 2000 has killed 2,287 people on the Palestinian side and 763 people on the Israeli side. But past plans -- whether grand end-of-conflict designs or nuts-and-bolts cease-fire efforts -- have failed, and wrangling over this one has already begun.

Sharon issued a terse statement saying he had received the document "for the purpose of formulating comments on the wording." Palestinian Foreign Minister Nabil Shaath, in contrast, called for "implementing the road map immediately."

Acting U.S. Consul-General Jeff Feldman said: "The road map is a guideline; it's not a sacred text or treaty." Larsen also said implementation would be negotiated, and a diplomatic source said the United States might dispatch an envoy for the task.

Israel's most important objection is to the implication that it must carry out its part -- including a politically difficult freeze on Jewish settlements -- at the same time as the expected Palestinian crackdown on militants.

"First and foremost, the terrorism and the incitement to terrorism has to cease," Israeli foreign ministry spokesman Mark Sofer said. "It is crucial that we do not ... talk peace by day and have Israelis blown up by night."

Abbas suggested in a speech to lawmakers on Tuesday he would move against extremists, saying there could only be "one authority" in the Palestinian areas, pledging to collect illegal weapons and condemning terrorism "in all its forms."

But it's a monumental task for his battered Palestinian Authority, which has lost police stations and equipment to Israeli raids. The militants' determination to fight was underscored by a suicide bombing that killed three bystanders in Tel Aviv hours before Abbas was sworn in.

Israel and the United States have welcomed Abbas -- the most senior Palestinian figure to have criticized the armed uprising against Israel -- and they plainly view him as a means to sideline longtime Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, whom they accuse of encouraging and aiding terrorism.

But Abbas' political support is brittle, and Arafat retains considerable influence as well as direct control of some security organizations -- a violation of the road map's calls for bringing all security bodies under the control of Abbas' interior ministry.

In Gaza, militants made clear that they would resist any effort to disarm them and would not end attacks.

"We will strike the Zionist enemy in each and every corner of Palestine until the end of the occupation," said Hamas spokesman Abdel Aziz Rantisi. He said Abbas' call for an end to violence was "strange and unrealistic."

Reflecting Abbas' troubles, the Tel Aviv attack was claimed jointly by Hamas and the Al Aqsa Brigades, which are linked to his own Fatah movement. A group spokesman said the bombing was a message that "nobody can disarm the resistance movements without a political solution."

The bomber, Asif Mohammed Hanif, slipped in from Gaza and was holding a British passport, police said. It was the first time since the latest Palestinian wave of violence started 2 years ago that a suicide attack had been launched from the area. Unlike the West Bank, Gaza is fenced in. Investigators said an accomplice, Omar Khan Sharif, also had a British passport. His bomb didn't explode and he escaped, police said. The British foreign office declined to comment about the passports.

Abbas condemned the bombing, which wrecked Mike's Place, a popular nightspot on Tel Aviv's teeming seaside promenade. He also said he accepted the road map.

"The road map is an agreement that has been agreed by key members of the international community," said British Foreign Minister Jack Straw. "That in itself is quite remarkable, that there is unanimity."

But Palestinian historian Albert Aghazarian was skeptical. "I don't see a road," he said. "I don't see a vehicle. This is all nonsense. I hope I'm wrong."

foxnews.com



To: stockman_scott who wrote (18393)4/30/2003 9:22:51 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 89467
 
Al Qaeda-tied terrorist nabbed in Iraq

From David Ensor
CNN Washington Bureau
Wednesday, April 30, 2003 Posted: 2:13 AM EDT (0613 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Senior Bush administration officials Tuesday said a member of an al Qaeda-affiliated terror group operating in Iraq has been captured by U.S. forces.

Sources said the individual is a member of a group operating in western Baghdad under the leadership of Abu Musab al Zarqawi, a Jordanian believed by the United States to have been the mastermind behind the assassination of American diplomat Lawrence Foley in Amman last October.

Zarqawi was said to have received medical treatment in Baghdad in May and June of 2002 after being wounded in Afghanistan during the war. His leg was amputated, U.S. officials say, by a surgeon in Iraq.

Before the war, Secretary of State Colin Powell pointed to Zarqawi's al Qaeda-affiliated group that he said was operating inside Baghdad, as evidence of ties between al Qaeda and Iraq.

Powell told the U.N. Security Council in early February that after al Qaeda and the Taliban were ousted from Afghanistan, Zarqawi established a camp in northeastern Iraq to train terrorists in using explosives and poisons.

During Zarqawi's stay in Baghdad, nearly two dozen of his associates set up a base of operations in the capital to move people, money and supplies throughout the country, said Powell.

The United States, using another international intelligence service as an intermediary, twice gave the Iraqi government information it could have used to apprehend Zarqawi and break the Baghdad cell, but "Zarqawi still remains at large to come and go," Powell said. "From his terrorist network in Iraq, Zarqawi can direct his network in the Middle East and beyond."

Mohamed Aldouri, Iraqi ambassador to the United Nations before the war, denied Powell's charges, saying Iraqi officials never met with Zarqawi.

Administration officials say they do not know yet whether the newly captured individual -- as yet not named by U.S. officials -- had any connections with the government of Iraq.

cnn.com