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Politics : Stop the War! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: rrufff who wrote (16415)	5/1/2003 12:53:33 PM
From: zonder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21614

Times change and irrelevancy has been shown as indicated by my prior post. Well, to that post, I pointed out that the system you oppose was always in place and this is the first time that UN's irrelevancy is being discussed. It is also the first time that the UN is resisting the US. I don't think that is a coincidence. History changes What? :-) Ok so you believe Iraqis or Afghanis had "human freedom." I said I don't think the US invaded Iraq BECAUSE they wanted to give the Iraqis freedom. Now that you mention it, I don't think US invaded Afghanistan to give Afghanis freedom, either. That is NOT saying I think they were free before the said invasions. As for debts, again, I'd like to analogize to the hostage situation Analogies do not matter at all. What matters is that countries do not refuse to pay back their debt after government changes, regardless of how the previous government used up the money. End of story.

To: rrufff who wrote (16415)	5/1/2003 1:09:41 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21614

Times has not changed in terms of the wish of some americans that the rest of the world would be irrelevant. As a general fact, the same wish has peaked before many major, world-wide crises', just as before 9/11. That does not necessarily, always, mean there is a clear causal relationship for the increase nor the peak, although a very clearly causality for the decrease after the peak. Funny thing that these basic issues seem so strange to you, although a clear majority of americans with more insight and higher "paygrade" see this is a fundamental issue.