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To: unclewest who wrote (97239)	5/2/2003 11:30:47 AM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Bush Official Says U.S. Deeply Hurt by German Moves Fri May 02, 2003 08:29 AM ET BERLIN (Reuters) - The first U.S. cabinet member to visit Berlin since a rift between the two countries over the Iraq war said on Friday the United States felt betrayed and deeply hurt by the row. U.S. Trade Representative Robert Zoellick also said Washington was watching warily moves such as "odd meetings" led by Germany and France to boost European defense integration and that the creation of a European counterweight to the United States was harmful for transatlantic relations. But he told journalists that he believed mutual German-U.S. interests, especially in business, would bring the world's first and third largest economic powers together again. "I'm here to extend my hand," he said. REST AT:http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=2673290

To: unclewest who wrote (97239)	5/2/2003 12:37:52 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Respond to of 281500

> I used to have similar thoughts about folks who were burning the flag... If it wasn't against the First Amendment, I would have asked for jail terms for disrespecting the flag...but that is a different issue than strongly disagreeing with the government. > I believe Americans have grown weary of being stepped on. ?!? Last I checked, America remained the strongest and wealthiest country in the world. This wouldn't be so if we were being stepped on. The problem many people have on both sides, is separating the wheat from the chaff. Both sides reduce their arguments into stupid sound bites of "America is all good and defender of freedom" versus "America is the Great Satan". America is not responsible for every evil in the world. But we have had a significant role in it. Often times this is justified in very short term contexts based on moral relativism. The most recent of it is our support for the Taliban, until they turned against us. Every time you hear about the atrocities the Taliban or Saddam does, you have to ask yourself, was it moral to support such people when they suited us. I am not after some finger pointing and blame assignment. What I want is for government and political parties to form coherent and understandable ideological stances. A clear statement that says what they stand for. That way, real progress can be made. Otherwise, we are just at the hands of momentum traders, except they trade in international affairs and human misery instead of stock market. ST