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To: Sully- who wrote (307)	5/3/2003 12:22:23 PM
From: JohnM	Respond to of 793964

Working hard are you. Well, let's go down the list. I gather the point you are trying to make with this list is that Dems say some ugly stuff. Of course, they do. Now, let's see just how ugly the stuff here that you've posted and whether it's even remotely comparable to Lott's suggestion that the country would be better off had Strom Thurmond won in 48. (1) Moran. My impression is that Moran took a genuine credibility hit for that comment and lost his post in the leadership. Just about what happened to Trent Lott. And the comment is hardly comparable. (2) Kerry. You are, of course, trying to be funny about Kerry but you are rather way over the line. Modest criticisms from the loyal opposition of the invasion. I would love to see much more vigorous stuff than this paltry. Not only should Kerry not lose, he should be congratulated for a bit of courage and you should be ashamed for using the word "traitorous" in this post to describe them. (3) Clinton and Fullbright. Ah, just wouldn't be a list without trying to flame Bill and Hillary. I looked through your text and I find no quote from Bill saying the country would be better off had segregation survived, which was the tenor of the Lott quote. As for that little dig about the Bill and Hillary anti black and anti semitic comments, you will need to do better than Dick Morris for that to be believable. Morris is about as bitter toward those two as it gets. If you wish to make these accusations, offer some evidence. Good evidence. Believable evidence. Then we can discuss it. (4) Jesse Jackson. Definitely a no, no. And he suffered in NYC pretty badly. And was widely criticized for the comment. Last time I checked those comments weren't about restoring segregation against Jews. (5) As for Hollings, I'm certain if you look long and hard at any white southern politician, Dem or Rep, who survived in office from the 50s through to now, you are going to fin that sort of stuff. But Hollings didn't say, in the 21st century, that the country would have been better off if segregation still existed. (6) On the Byrd comments, find a transcript of the broadcast and I will be happy to discuss them with you. But, again, just to beat this poor horse one more time, Byrd didn't say to bring back segregation.