To: Jamey who wrote (35220 ) 5/3/2003 11:59:08 AM From: Berry Picker Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 39621 It is a well known fact that most of unholywood is run by intellectual Jews. The part that surprises me is this... The Preterist no longer sees the Jewish race (1*) as being any more special than any other nation. We do not see them as especially blessed nor cursed. The furturist however - if they can bring themselves to being honest - see the Jews as yet under a curse of judicial blindness. 1 Thessalonians 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. The furturist pounds his chest and will insist upon the "beloved" part of the verse but refuses to assert that they are judicially blind (according to their misinterpretations) even to this day. They cannot have it both ways because they 'think that the "fullness of the gentiles" has not yet been accomplished.Futurist's have more hope of an Arab being saved than a Jew. Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. Yet they would side with unsaved Jews quicker than saved Arabs politically. They could never imagine a nation of saved Arabs "occupying" Jerusalem rather than these unsaved 'Jews'. (1*) Makes no sense to anyone with any ability to arise above the prejudices and presumptions and actually 'think about it'. Romans 11:14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy them that are my flesh, and may save some of them. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. The futurist thinks that it was some far and distance "them" of the Jews ("that are my flesh") that Paul thought may be saved. Futurists must still believe that the Jews are being blinded by God because they look to the distant future for the "fullness of the Gentiles" You may have noticed Greg dodging these kinds of questions after accusing me of being an anti-semitic. Their system ignores all the places where scripture assures us that the Gospel did go out into "all the world" in Paul's day and under his ministry. He "finished his course" (work) as the "Apostle to the Gentiles" The eyes of many Jews were opened by the fact that the Gentiles were recieving the Hly Ghost and confessing the gospel and upholding that testimony even unto death. 2 Timothy 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: Acts 24:5 For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes: Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. (1*)(Who knows if those in Israel today are really Jews anyway?) All men today are "equal" as much as "equal" is under God. Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. There remains of the Jews to this day a "remnant" according to God's sovereign election and Grace alone. Israel as a nation is no more favoured than the good old USA They can either be blessed or cursed according to their national obedience or lack thereof to God's law. Israel is allowed weapons of mass destruction and has them while Iraq is not allowed and so far appears to not have had them. Whay about North Korea? Will Bush go running in there with the US war machine? Or are they no threat to Israel - so who cares? Or - does the USA just not want to lose another war :-) They already lost one to North Korea and Vietnam Interesting slant Zionism puts on people's judgments, however. Later James - I will ask Emile for some info but I think I already know the situation. Jews and gays taking control of the propaganda machines. Later James and thanks. Brian