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To: Berry Picker who wrote (35232)	5/3/2003 9:59:32 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

They could not rest upon their nationality to be assured of salvation. people in many other places of the world were being quite saved on their own without Moses or the Jewish prophets , or even Jesus himself, thank you. Jesus was sent only unto his own tribe by his own admission . Jesus may have hit upon certain themes of higher good and preached well enough the Golden Rule , but it is absurd to think that Abraham or Jesus were the discoverers of this internal principal of living. One takes the entire body of the Ten Commmandments , and the intent has to do with living in accord with the word with a reverance for the world without and the purity of the world within. One strives to remain pure so that one does not have to just blindly "obey" God , but one lives in community with that view (vision/seeing) of all being sacred of Life . But many false dichotomies are present in the non syncretic rigid Judaism , and latter Christianity from the start. "All in One , One in All " idea. One thing that St Francis said that is intriguing , was the idea of what one is searching for in God --->is the one who sees. One doesn't obey the Ten Commandments as much as one matures to -->see them in all things, moments/events and reality in actions or at rest . The "righteous" behavior follows from there and keeping oneself pure by temperance and self-control. Having them written down on stone Tablets was all very nice ...i guess this most warlike group of tribes really needed that , but this awareness of these kinds of principals and laws were already known from before . The Books of Moses do not date as far back as that in any case and were written in by many unknown scribes as late as 400 to 600BC. Sometime read the speech of Chief Seattle , and these words ring as true of what is universally built into man's spirit , of a truth that is self-evident everywhere at all times present in many tribes of man . A reverance for the earth , creation and the will/spirit/essence behind it . A sense of reverence....and native Americans do have a history that goes back some 10,000 years. One learns to look upon Life and all within it with the point of view of "Thou" rather than "That". From this very significant change in perspective comes flooding in an entire new set of experiences , all prophets hinted at in their individual ways . The tribe of Abraham is only one story out of thousands upon this earth , but the Hebrews, like the latter Christians and Islamist all fell into the morass of non syncretic belief , thus for the most part losing the highest essence of what was signified behind the giving and observance of the law in relation to the changes in one's own self. Yet all religions aspire equally to that one thing : That is --->All is sacred and worthy of awe and reverence .

To: Berry Picker who wrote (35232)	5/3/2003 10:57:38 PM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 39621

CHIEF SEATTLE'S LETTER (as precious a statement as can be found anywhere in your entire Bible or Mohammed's Koran , old or new...and Genesis included) barefootsworld.net "The President in Washington sends word that he wishes to buy our land. But how can you buy or sell the sky? the land? The idea is strange to us. If we do not own the freshness of the air and the sparkle of the water, how can you buy them? Every part of the earth is sacred to my people. Every shining pine needle, every sandy shore, every mist in the dark woods, every meadow, every humming insect. All are holy in the memory and experience of my people. We know the sap which courses through the trees as we know the blood that courses through our veins. We are part of the earth and it is part of us. The perfumed flowers are our sisters. The bear, the deer, the great eagle, these are our brothers. The rocky crests, the dew in the meadow, the body heat of the pony, and man all belong to the same family. The shining water that moves in the streams and rivers is not just water, but the blood of our ancestors. If we sell you our land, you must remember that it is sacred. Each glossy reflection in the clear waters of the lakes tells of events and memories in the life of my people. The water's murmur is the voice of my father's father. The rivers are our brothers. They quench our thirst. They carry our canoes and feed our children. So you must give the rivers the kindness that you would give any brother. If we sell you our land, remember that the air is precious to us, that the air shares its spirit with all the life that it supports. The wind that gave our grandfather his first breath also received his last sigh. The wind also gives our children the spirit of life. So if we sell our land, you must keep it apart and sacred, as a place where man can go to taste the wind that is sweetened by the meadow flowers. Will you teach your children what we have taught our children? That the earth is our mother? What befalls the earth befalls all the sons of the earth. This we know: the earth does not belong to man, man belongs to the earth. All things are connected like the blood that unites us all. Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself. One thing we know: our God is also your God. The earth is precious to him and to harm the earth is to heap contempt on its creator. Your destiny is a mystery to us. What will happen when the buffalo are all slaughtered? The wild horses tamed? What will happen when the secret corners of the forest are heavy with the scent of many men and the view of the ripe hills is blotted with talking wires? Where will the thicket be? Gone! Where will the eagle be? Gone! And what is to say goodbye to the swift pony and then hunt? The end of living and the beginning of survival. When the last red man has vanished with this wilderness, and his memory is only the shadow of a cloud moving across the prairie, will these shores and forests still be here? Will there be any of the spirit of my people left? We love this earth as a newborn loves its mother's heartbeat. So, if we sell you our land, love it as we have loved it. Care for it, as we have cared for it. Hold in your mind the memory of the land as it is when you receive it. Preserve the land for all children, and love it, as God loves us. As we are part of the land, you too are part of the land. This earth is precious to us. It is also precious to you. One thing we know - there is only one God. No man, be he Red man or White man, can be apart. We ARE all brothers after all."