To: marcos who wrote (981 ) 7/7/2003 1:15:49 AM From: E. Charters Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1293 The Arrow or the AV-Roe 101 was an experimental weapons platform, as was the CF-100 also an AV-Roe aircraft. (Made in Toronto before the Liberal take over.) It was killed because the idea of the AV-Roe designs was to make a total of 25 successive generations of manned and fly-by-wire high flying jet and rocket interceptors with the final version which was due in about the late 1960's as a manned rocket-jet near-space missile interceptor. (The Avro Arrow and the CF-100 would already fly by radio control from a central control tower without pilot intervention. Successive aircraft were supposed to meet near totally automatic remote interception capabilities. How this would work with later more sophisticated radar jamming is anybody's guess.. but the GPS system with pseudo-random noise coded transmission below natural earth noise levels was already being developed. This satellite system was an outgrowth of mobile radar systems that were suggested at the time of WWII.) The Avro Arrow itself would fly about 2000 plus miles per hour and could evade missile by its manoeuverability and speed. It could also climb at the speed of sound, and evade all manner of interceptor aircraft as well. The trouble was in this mode, it duplicated what the J-7 CIA craft and later SR-71 were already doing in a surveillance program, and that was evading interception by sheer speed and flight height. But the Arrow was an aggressor and could be taken for an attack aircraft. It's end usage as a missile interceptor in its final AV-Roe 125 mode, was a also a violation of the no-anti-ICBM treaty that the Russian's were pushing despite their own breaking of this concept with the Galosh anti-missile system. Because the program's progress could cause pre-emptive first strike if it were thought to be close to perfection as a an anti-missile system, it was scrapped. The Arrow program was just too much of a provocation to the Russians to allow it to continue. Defensive weapons were abandoned in favour of mutually assured destruction, and the missile race was on. In the later, Reagan years, this whole concept was re-thought. When would the enemy know or fear your defense was perfect, and when would he attack? If you had MAD and were building a shield too, when did he dare attack? The answer is never. He had little reason to attack with MAD, and as the shield was in theory being built, still less and less reason to attack. He might get in a race to build as good a shield if he could afford it. With both shields near perfected, is a limited war possible? What is the point? Partially assured destruction? If one examines the whole concept of MAD too, it is a bit mad. Both sides rush with enormous expenditures to get to a point where neither they can afford to aggress. They do this, as if they don't, the other guy might anyway. Lack of trust locks in maximum bellicosity. EC<:-}