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To: Coz who wrote (944)	5/7/2003 7:12:19 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

NADER, AGENT PROVOCATEUR FOR THE RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS Coz, Media Whores Online: mediawhoresonline.com is adamant that Ralph Nader works as an agent provocateur for the extreme right in this country. There is some good evidence that this is the case. Facts: 1) Nader got 95,000 votes in Florida in the 2000 Presidential election. This was enough, in itself, to give the election to Bush. 2) In the 2002 elections in Minnesota, Nader worked with state Greens to put a native American named Ed DeGaa on the ballot, opposing Paul Wellstone. There wasn't a dimes worth of difference between DeGaa's platform and that of Wellstone, but there was an extremely tight race against the GHP contender. When DeGaa didn't prove to be enough of a threat on Wellstone's Left, his plane mysteriously dropped out of the sky. Leaving Norm Coleman, a wimp shrimp of political hack to carry George Bush's water in Minnesota. 3) Ralph Nader is apparently a regular and welcomed guest at Grover Norquist's Wednesday afternoon lunches in Washington. A cesspool of fascist reactionaries and Nader likes the company? Oy vey! ************ Re: "I remember Ralph Nader telling all of his Green disciples that it made no difference if George Bush or Al Gore were elected" This is the Adolph Hitler technique. If you tell a big enough lie, some people will be shocked into believing it. "The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of a nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies, but would be ashamed to tell big lies." --Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, 1923 ************* You do the math.

To: Coz who wrote (944)	5/7/2003 10:27:47 AM
From: tsigprofit	Respond to of 20773

Coz, you make a good point. I wonder the same. It would have made a big difference. Gore was not perfect, but he would have been better than Bush on most issues that moderates and liberals care about. Let's hope a strong candidate emerges from the Democrats, and that everyone, including Greens, get behind him this time. And - let's hope people get off their butts and go vote this time (maybe learn how to use the machines first also - that would help!) t