To: Maurice Winn who wrote (33454 ) 5/10/2003 6:14:07 AM From: Raymond Duray Respond to of 74559 Mq, Re: Ray, you have been reading Ted Kaczynski's manifesto I read three paragraphs and decided it was way too weird for me. Re: Not to mention Bill Joy's "Why the Future Doesn't Need Us". I haven't read a scintilla of this, but I did read a review, and watched Bill on the Charlie Rose Show sort of lay out the framework of this thought game. Chilling stuff. Describes a future that no sentient human ought to be lulled into. It is a devastation of culture that the techoid wizards are scheming on. Re: Not to mention Ray Kurzweil's "Age of Intelligent Machines". Ray has an erudition and intellect that I can appreciate. He's made the ascendancy of machine intelligence seem more benign than any other writer I've encountered. He's an excellent proselytizer for a pollyannish vision that is going to be hard to sell to the techocrats in Mosul and Basra who just learned that their oil has now been inexorably stolen by the "Occupying Forces of the U.S./UK". Sometimes reality trumps the mere visions of silicon wonks. Re: Stephen Hawkings' "We can beat the computers if we tune our brains up with some genetic engineering - well, we can do better anyway". Whatever, I'll take your word for it. ******** Re: There is definitely a process underway and I suspect the outcome is that our evolutionary dead-end is in sight. Nonsense. Evolution hasn't boxed us out yet. We simply aren't going to be any more comfortable in the economic vice we are creating tomorrow than we are today. And today is not nearly as good as it's ever been. (Economically, the species probably peaked sometime in the 1970's and has been losing ground ever since. Bubbles, manias and billionaires notwithstanding. That is to say, we're using up the planet faster than we're discovering newly exploitable resources.) Re: Some paranoia is justified. You are a master of understatement. Re: But there's not really anything to worry about. You are supremely delusional. Re: Or, you could join the revolution ... it's on the quiet, whispering in cyberspace. Really? I've been trying to find Lev Bronstein. Any idea how to contact him?