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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (97843)	5/10/2003 8:04:34 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

7 years to get democracy to work in Japan after nuking them. Jeese, 2 months isn't that long in Iraq. I'm sure Bush and his staff have several plans in mind to get things working. Oil flow starts, money comes in to the PEOPLE. If they didn't want change why the demand for satellite dishes?

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (97843)	5/10/2003 8:40:13 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

For example, it's clear to see that even with the rapid defeat of Saddam's government, France and Russia are unwilling to end sanctions so that oil revenues can be used to reconstitute the Iraqi economy and pay workers... And we've seen the relief agancies involved in a pissing contest about who's responsible for their safety and whether providing that safety forces them to take commands from US forces. So those are some additional reasons why this is taking longer to restore order. I think the diplomatic games on the part of France + Russia et al are of minor importance. In a few past messages somewhere the point was raised that Rumsfeld, etc. grossly underestimated the amount of disruption that a few weeks of simple looting was going to cause, and this seems to be the most plausible explanation for the difficulty we find ourselves in. Far, far more plausible than the endless black-helicopter conspiracy theories about an oil grab or whatnot. You just can't have a country with as populous as Iraq without record keeping, reliable electricity, water, sewage, phone service, hospitals, a police force... Well, it's a done deal and we'll have to handle the situation as it stands.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (97843)	5/10/2003 9:02:20 PM
From: FaultLine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hello Hawkmoon, ShilohCat, and others, Very nice discussion about our plans, or lack of them. I appreciate the time you all have taken to put together your responses. --fl

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (97843)	5/10/2003 9:27:39 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

France and Russia are unwilling to end sanctions so that oil revenues can be used to reconstitute the Iraqi economy and pay workers... Moot point, at this stage, since the capacity to produce isn't there. If they still oppose lifting sanctions after production capacity is restores, there would be real cause for complaint. Wouldn't really matter anyway, though, since the US and Britain could simply refuse to follow the sanctions, and buy the oil themselves.