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To: quehubo who wrote (97863)	5/11/2003 4:15:45 AM
From: Bill Ulrich	Respond to of 281500

re: looting oil infrastructure This is actually very good news. It has been complained, loudly and for a very long time, that we made sure to secure the oil fields at the expense of museums. Upon these new-found observations that we've screwed up even the oil, too, any capitalist conspiracy theory can be quickly put to rest. We're apparently an equal opportunity screw-up, allowing no bias towards dusty scrolls nor gooey haliburton-bourgeois petro-dollars. The only loss is that the "Not In My Name/No Oil For Blood" crowd will have to find a new slogan. Perhaps "Not In My Irrelevance/No Ambivalence for Whatever!" may suffice.

To: quehubo who wrote (97863)	5/11/2003 7:52:16 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Quehubo, 200,000 barrels per day production amounts to some $1.5 billion dollars annually, or about $5 million daily. Neither sums are insignificant. But I concur that I would like to see hire production levels. It's interesting why the oil "chief" made one statement about being at previous production one day, only to quickly alter his words shortly thereafter... Afraid of disrupting global oil markets in a time where OPEC is looking to cut oil production in order to boost prices?? I just don't see what is so "lootable" about a oil production facility. Sure, they take the PCs and furniture.. They take the coffee makers and microwaves. They steal the trucks.. etc... But who would want, or could manage to cart off, valves, storage tanks, and pipelines?? Who would take pressure gauges, the pipeline "pigs"... Because as I analyze it, simply moving oil from a well to a loading facility is not nearly as complex as operating a refinery. The equipment normally involved is heavy, and specialized. And thus, naturally non-pilferable. Maybe isolated cases of pumps being looted, but most of the fixed infrastructure would be difficult to take, or to resell, IMO.. But we'll see... Hawk

To: quehubo who wrote (97863)	5/12/2003 9:41:47 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Two items there didn’t seem to add up: Shipments of emergency gasoline and cooking oil from neighboring countries started arriving Thursday to help stave off shortages... Without an internationally recognized government, Iraq lacks legal authority to resume exports. That has resulted in brimming storage tanks for oil and other petroleum products, limiting further production. Even recognizing that cooking oil has nothing to do with petroleum (how it got into the story is a mystery), this seems odd. Does Iraq have no capacity at all to refine the stuff that’s overflowing in the storage tanks to serve it’s own needs?