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To: Dennis O'Bell who wrote (98046)	5/12/2003 9:43:12 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Respond to of 281500

The US is "permitted" to bomb the Shiite out of Afghanistan in retaliation for the use of that country as a base of terrorist operations. Wanna try this again?

To: Dennis O'Bell who wrote (98046)	5/12/2003 11:53:33 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

OK, then your position is quite distinct from Nadine's. <However - what was the Afghan invasion, but a "targeted killing" ?> Yeah, you have a point there. If I'm arguing against assassinations, but I approved of the Afghan war, then I end up splitting some hairs, or having an inconsistent position. Hmmmm..... I guess I see the Afghan war as OK under the doctrine of Strict Reciprocity, and if that included some assassinations, I'll go along with it. <everyone puffs their cheeks in indignation if they (Israel) carry out military actions. The world's favorite whipping boy> Yes. Because, outside of the U.S., just about every nation sees Israel as the aggressor, because of their colonization, a 19th Century method that is unacceptable in the 20th. I'm willing to accept the colonization that happened through 1948, and the 700,000 Arabs who lost their land and homes, because the Arab nations expelled an equal number of Jews, who also lost all their land and homes. The crimes were offsetting. But nothing beyond that. And it's not just Israel. Rhodesia, and S. Africa under apartheid, and what China is doing in Tibet, all have been widely condemned. I'm not really a pacifist, I think the world needs to first accept the principle of Strict Reciprocity in international affairs, which means ending preventive/preemptive wars. After a generation (or two, or three) of that, maybe we'll be ready for true pacifism. <it will take an entire generation of deprogramming among Palestinians> Most of the world would say that Israelis and Americans are the ones in need of deprogramming. They see us as the habitually violent nations, the crazy killers who need restraining. Nobody thinks they themselves need deprogramming, (until after they've been deprogrammed). It's always the other guy who is crazy. Perhaps, when Israelis "get it out of their heads" that they have to put a settlement of fundamentalist Orthodox Jews on every hilltop in Samaria and Judea, then it might be possible to change what goes on in the heads of Palestinians. It would certainly generate a lot more sympathy and support for Israel, in the global community, if they would at least give up the small, isolated settlements inside and between major Palestinian population centers. Those settlements make a Palestinian State impossible. And quit building new ones.