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To: RetiredNow who wrote (64036)5/14/2003 10:30:01 PM
From: BWAC  Respond to of 77400
 
Stock outstanding is the same. Company has 400 Million more cash. What is this expense "opportunity" cost based on?

Want to tackle the option component of convertible bonds and the same "opportunity" costs?



To: RetiredNow who wrote (64036)5/14/2003 10:44:14 PM
From: BWAC  Respond to of 77400
 
"Opportunity" costs.

Options act as incentives for trained employees to stay. If I accept your "opportunity" cost reasoning, then I have to think that all aspects of that phantom transaction should be considered.

Employee turnover might be reduced. Turnover is expensive. Training is expensive. Some say the whole first year is really unproductive for new hires. The new hire doesn't become fully trained and efficient at the job until year 2 creating a lot of overhead and potential costs for the employer. So? If options reduce turnover then does the company have an "opportunity" gain? It must? The opportunity expense of options created the opportunity for the company to avoid costly training of new hires. Black Scholes that too by the way.

You're assuming the company gets nothing of tangible value in return for the future guesstimate value of the option multiplied by volatility.



To: RetiredNow who wrote (64036)5/15/2003 6:01:52 AM
From: rkral  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 77400
 
OT ... mindmeld, re "they lost out on the opportunity to sell slices of the company for an additional $800M, which the employees pocketed if they sold their shares immediately. So compensation cost is $800M."

I am very skeptical of any point that uses "opportunity cost" as a reason to expense.

Don't know exactly why I'm skeptical yet -- it just seems a wobbly leg to stand on. Maybe I'll be able to articulate that "gut feel" someday.

Regards, Ron