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To: Jamey who wrote (18299)5/18/2003 6:10:12 PM
From: sea_urchin  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 81839
 
James > all life is bound by immutable laws, that cannot be broken easily

Yes, I agree. But like any law, it's only an expert in that law who knows how to break it --- or who thinks he does.

> I do enjoy reading the Bible and learning from it. Many moral lessons that if taken to heart, would save man kind much misery.

Of course. But one has to remember that the Bible was written by man, possibly under "divine" inspiration, but by man, nevertheless, and therefore subject to different interpretations. The problem is words. Words which can be twisted and which have different meanings. I believe when one truly considers the works of God, there are no words --- only silence.

Consider the Koran, which was written by Prophet Mohammed under "divine guidance" and which has served as inspiration to nearly 1.5 bn Muslims. Yet, one group of Muslims believes in peace, another in Jihad (holy war). Both groups say their belief is the word of God.

The problem goes even further, the God of the Muslims, namely the God of Abraham, is also the God of the Jews. In the circumstances, one would have thought that a God, common to both the Jewish religion and Islam, would have served to bind both, much like the Old Testament has helped to bring religious Christians closer to the Jews. Yet, look what has happened in the Mid East.

> It is not the fault of the Creator if man, in his vanity, creates creedal philosophies that is in conflict with the word of God.

Here we find Jews who criticize the State of Israel and say it had no right coming into existence in the first place because it's contrary to the word of God (Torah). Other Jews in Israel, however, say the Bible gives them not only rights to Israel, itself, but also to the land demarkated for Palestinians (Judea and Sumeria). In fact, it is the attitude of these people which is largely to blame for the non-solution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. So, who is to be believed?

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>>>ISRAELI INDEPENDENCE DAY
A Day of Mourning for Torah Faithful Jews

The Zionist intervention against G-d’s will by establishing the “state of Israel” represents an official rebellion against G-d and the Torah, a rebellion which has generated untold pain and suffering. On the anniversary of the founding of this heretical Zionist state, true Torah Jews mourn the attempt to transform Judaism from a religion into a secular entity and the attempt to uproot the Torah teachings. We mourn the tragedies it has produced:, desecration of the Sabbath, loss of modesty, and a litany of violations against many laws of our faith and Jewish teachings, amongst them the command of compassion for our fellow beings. The list goes on.

We further mourn the deportation, subjugation, and oppression of the Palestinian people. The list goes on and on…..<<<

Further, different "genres" of Christianity and different interpretations of the same Bible give rise to a situation where "dog kills dog". This is seen in the conflict between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland.

> I find that the basis for disagreement is not in the logic of the arguments or the facts presented, but in the presuppositions of the analyst or writer.

Absolutely true, but how does one know where that bias or prejudice comes from? Frequently, in order to diminish my own personal bias in an argument, I attempt to argue from both sides but it's not easy when one feels strongly about something.

> True Christianity is pure and simple about loving your neighbor as yourself and to put faith in an obnificent God who will dispell fear of the unknown and allow many (including me) to have the strength to carry on.

What you have written there should be self-evident to everyone and common to all religions. In fact, the words of Jesus should serve as an inspiration to all people and not only Christians. Unfortunately, Jesus didn't know that he was going to have a religion named after him and that he would serve as an icon, something I'm sure he would have hated to be.