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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: average joe who wrote (2505)	5/20/2003 7:23:13 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Respond to of 36921

When Ayn Rand wrote that article, we had not yet depleted the large ocean fish species by 90%. You're showing yourself to be hopelessly romantic, quoting from a distant past. My favorite economist, from the same era as Rand's rants, John M. Keynes said: "When the facts change, I change my opinion, and you, sir?"

To: average joe who wrote (2505)	5/20/2003 5:12:16 PM
From: Elmer Flugum	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36921

Anywhere an animal or plant species become so numerous as we humans have on earth, there is going to be destruction of the enviroment, natural or not. Perhaps we are aliens, like kudzu in America? len

To: average joe who wrote (2505)	5/21/2003 12:50:50 AM
From: tfrugal	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36921

AJ, I find your Rand fixation curious. How many times have you posted this same point here? Ecologists exclude man from the natural order? Production uber alles? There are a few holes in your battle cry, Joe. Man can live in a less than full out exploitation mode. "Ecologists" do not want to be technology free. Vultures don't swarm to fire. All or nothing arguments with a liberal dosage of right slanted hooey convince nobody. With all that surviving, discovering and producing going on, what is wrong with making sure that the next generation of lowest human tribesman can continue on consuming? Tell me, Joe, is unleaded gasoline part of a vast left wing conspiracy to undermine American productivity or yet another industry to profit from? How about those Promethean smokestacks? Do the sulfur scrubbers installed to stop acid rain make money for someone or just strangle the economy? I consider myself green, and also capitalist. Why not tread lightly? Why not sustainable instead of exploitation?