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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (1501)5/19/2003 2:32:46 PM
From: LLCF  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 4905
 
<You may find if "galling", but I believe you're just so anti-religion that you have translated that into anti-god... What I'm describing bears little, if any, resemblance to any organized religious dogma. >

Exactly... I had mentioned before that the word "god" has such a long history and carries so much baggage that it's use, creates a certain mindset.

I see no reason that the existance of god couldn't be as logical a deduction as 'life exists on other planets' for instance.

<But I merely hold open the possibility that maybe we're just a "dream of Brahma", or some other extra-dimensional thought passing through the mind of a higher being which neither you, nor I can understand.>

Or perhaps the 'big bang' was simply the firing of a Vulcan's neuron. -gggg-

Or perhaps god is simply found in the dimension of 'no thought':

'Most don't understand that to actually 'see' the forest, it is necessary to walk through it in stillness instead of in the mental noise of analyzation, catagorization, judging and other intellectual mental contructs.'- Sage

Strangely, western psychologists are realizing that it is act or way people think that causes many problems, not WHAT they are thinking. Learning to understand that thinking is just...... thinking is starting to be taught in the West as well. Let's face it... the ultimate 'truth' about almost anything is far too vast for the mind to grasp.

DAK



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (1501)5/20/2003 5:40:57 AM
From: zonder  Respond to of 4905
 
Do you believe there exists dimensions of space and time beyond what our senses are currently able to experience??

I don't believe zip.

I do know, however, that certain theories of physics that explain the structure of the universe better than others predict additional dimensions. The most interesting among them predicts 10 in space and 1 in time = a total of 11 dimensions.

However, there has been NO PROOF YET for any of these theories. As a direct result, I DO NOT BELIEVE in these predicted dimensions, but find them A POSSIBILITY.

I hope this is not too hard for you to follow. This is how a scientific mind works - i.e. No proof, no belief.

Are you claiming that there cannot be any form of sentient entity that resides on these extra-dimensional "universes"....

Have I said that? No. So what are you trying to do, make it look like I "claim" things I cannot possibly know??????

Since your premise ("More than 3 dimensions in space exist") is unproven, the rest ("Creatures exist who live in these extra dimensions") is fantasy. It has never even occurred to me to consider this particular question, since it is based on a premise yet unproven and as such, cannot possibly be proven itself.

So, to answer your question: Can various organisms exist in alternate universes with higher number of dimensions than ours? Yes, it is a possibility. Just like a dragon under my bed is a possibility. Or the God of trees that unites them and they conspire against us as we sleep during the night. Or any other story you can cook up but will not be any more believable than this story about creatures living in higher dimensions WITHOUT PROOF.

I am so very sad that a person living in the 21st century and in one of the most advanced places on this planet, actually believes in things he has no proof for. That all his education, the technology he uses, the history of science and discoveries, has done NOTHING to give him the essence of "science".

So I repeat my question: What is it that I "REFUSE to acknowledge"??? As in, there is something that everyone knows about, well proven and documented, like the earth being round, and I "refuse" to see it, huh?

... governed by their even more complex rules of physical laws?

For your info, not that you need any to believe, it seems, alternate universes need not has more complex rules or physical laws. It suffices that they be DIFFERENT.

Current issue of Scientific American has "Parallel Universes" as cover story. You might like to read it.

If we acknowledge the existence of other dimensions, then it seems implicit that we have no way of determining whether or not extra-dimensional entities exist.

(1) "We" did no such thing. I said it looked possible, given the current theories in physics that try to explain the structure of the universe.

You, of course, have no idea what I am talking about.

(2) It does not seem "implicit" at all that we cannot determine extra dimensions. Read "Flatland". It is very simple and short but will help you understand that it IS possible to determine the existence of higher dimensions.

And anyway, experiments in quantum physics are beginning to see signs for the existence of other dimensions. Like quantum entanglement, etc.

Without trying to sound arrogant, Hawk, you might like to read up on the facts and the theory of the universe before you come up and try to oppose me on the structure of the universe, dimensions, etc.

So can I prove that sentient entities exist in other dimensions? Clearly no.

So tell me - Why (and HOW) do you believe in their existence? What is this "logical deduction" that leads you to believe in their existence?

you're just so anti-religion that you have translated that into anti-god...

I am not "anti-anything", unless there is proof that it does not exist. I have nothing against believing in the existence of God if tomorrow I see him or if its existence can be verified. Can you understand that?

But isn't that like Bugs Bunny claiming that Chuck Jones never existed and that he's his "own wabbit", created by no one, governed by his own rules, and accountable to no higher authority??

Why should it be?

(By the way, I wish you would give "Sophie's World" as an example rather than Bugs Bunny.)

You know what this looks like? It looks like a little kid who has no idea about mathematics, structure & strength of materials, etc and says we cannot know how suspension bridges stay up like that and hence there must be higher creatures that hold them up. You are like a child who has never heard of negative numbers, so cannot fathom how abstract theoretical mathematics/physics can be, and has to see "higher beings" just to keep his sanity. And the saddest part is that you obviously have not even TRIED TO LEARN what it is you "believe" in.

And since you can't prove that I'm wrong, we're obviously at an impasse

Proving you are "wrong" was never the point. Unlike you, I know what premises are not verifiable, and hence far into fantasy land.

However, I can prove you are ignorant - you obviously do not know first thing about these dimensions you so easily give opinion about. And I can prove that you believe in things without proof, which is worse, since ignorance can be alleviated with study.